The Cynical One Says: I want to know what you think about getting a “Malibu Treatment” to remove the chemical residue from well water? Does well water effect blonde hair? What does a Malibu treatment actually do? Can I do this at home? Is this even worth my time, or can I just use a claryifying shampoo from time to time?
The Right Brain Responds:
There are two main problems that COULD be caused by using well water. The first is hard water residue which is formed when soap comes in contact with “hard” metal ions such as calcium and magnesium. The soap interacts with the metal ions forming an insoluble “gunk” that sticks to the sides of the tub.
Well water woes
Is this a serious problem? We doubt it because modern shampoos use cleansers known as surfactants that don’t interact with the metal ions so you shouldn’t really be getting much water residue on your hair. In other words, a bar of soap might cause this to happen, but shampoo and body washes would not.
The second problem is rust deposition which occurs when there’s a high concentation of iron in the water. Rusty well water CAN stain light colored hair an orangish-yellow color, but we doubt that this is a serious problem for most people either. If your water is that bad, you’re probably using a water softener anyway!
IF you did get hard water deposits on your hair what should you do? A quick web search shows a lot of homemade remedies recommending vinegar and lemon juice, which are mildy acidic. In reality, an alkaline cleanser remove hard water deposits better, NOT an acidic one. So much for believing everything you read on the web…
Kick it with a chelator
But the best thing would be to use a chemical agent called a “chelator” that ties up the metal ions and makes the residue easier to use. It just so happens that the Malibu 2000 Well Water Action Shampoo and the Malibu 2000 Quickin Demineralizing treament DO contain an effective chelating agent known as EDTA. Without testing, we can’t be sure these products really work because the pH of the product and the concentration of EDTA are important. BUT, at least they look promising. If you do decide to try them, you’ll have to disregard all the claims Malibu makes about the hard water deposits clogging your pores and stopping hair growth. There’s no data to show that hard water causes hair loss!
The Brain’s Bottom Line:
Given the prevalence of soft water we think that, unlikely, but not impossible for you to experience significant problems. Hard water and iron deposits are probably more of a made up marketing need than a serious hair care problem. But, if you have experience with either problem we love to hear about it and what you did to fix it.
What do YOU think? Are hard water deposits a problem for YOUR hair? Leave a comment and share your rust stained thoughts with the rest of the Beauty Brains community.
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How about the chlorine in tap water? Does it do any damage to skin?
thanks for the info on bar soap’s role in hard water build up. i hadn’t considered that!
iron rich, hard well water is a huge problem for many residents, myself included, in maryland. think sinks, tubs and toilets with red rust rings overlaid of white scale! yuck!
i like nexxus aloe rid shampoo for removing what i perceive as hard water build up in my hair. it contains EDTA. again, i don’t know that i really have hard water build up but i like how my hair feels and styles after using this particular shampoo a few times a month.
Another problem you can encounter with well water is a high acidity level, even if your water isn’t considered ‘hard’. While the acidity itself isn’t necessarily a problem for your hair & skin, it does have an effect on copper pipes. When the water sits in the pipes for a prolonged period, like overnight, can cause some copper to leach off the pipes and into the water. If your water has a metallic taste or you notice blue-green stains in your sinks & tubs, acid water may be the cause. And just like the staining of your plumbing fixtures, the copper staining can find it’s way into hair. Chemically treated hair is especially vulnerable and will take on a greenish tone. Fortunately, the shampoos/treatments that work for iron will also work for copper. In the long run, you will want to address the cause of the acidity because the erosion of copper will eventually cause the pipes to leak – and no amount of EDTA-containing shampoo is going to help that.
I had horrible hard water stains on my hair in high school. I’m blonde, and my hair was positively orange. We used Barkeepers Friend paste and a toothbrush to get it off and then a conditioning treatment afterward. Harsh, but it worked.
I love mAlibu products and esp their Swimmer Line. I also use the aforementioned Malibu well water chelator they talk about above and I swear by it! We have hard iron in our water and when i put a packet’s worth on and leave it sit under a plastic cap for an hour, you can smell the iron coming off your hair when you rinse it out its really nice.
I also use it everytime right before I get a hair coloring or perm and I started using it in the beginning because my hair wasn’t perming then when my hair dresser suggested it maybe once every month or so and again right before each haircolor or perm the next perm turned out really tight and I liked that, I truly believe in that it removes whats not supposed to be there so your hair is open to receive all of the color and perm chemicals you can get. Hair gets very dry and brassy from copper in water too and I am planning to try one of their other products to remove brassiness.
This professional beauty consultant/author above should really try things first before hating on them.
Malibu2000 are high quality products.
Just to clarify I also live in Philadelphia and have the same hard water as Dawnamitsu above and I don’t think the minerals cause red rusty hair they just dry it out and cause structural damage to the hair cuticle and can react with processed colors of hair making them weird. They also block the cuticle from getting the full effect of processes. I mean it’s $3.00 packet…you gonna spend upwards of $90 for a color or perm and I think of them as like a backup ins plan to all that money spent on treatments. seriously.
I used lemonade packets, a small amount of water and hair conditioner. I had terrible rust stains in my hair – I live 2 blocks off the beach, Hurricane Ike hit here a few months ago and they are still working on getting our water straightened out (the entire city is on wells….) Anyway, I had tried a clarifying shampoo and Clairol Shimmer LIghts (worked a little, not really) then tried the lemonade. It took EVERY BIT OF RUST out of my hair in 10 minutes! I just put it all over my hair, poured the rest all over, put it in a shower cap and it was gone! I have dirty blonde hair – closer to brown, that I get pretty heavily highlighted. My hair was dry for a few days, I think that was from the Clairol shimmer lights that I used for 5 days though….
I use the Malibu treatment at home. I have to purchase it through a licensed professional, but it is cheaper than going to a salon. I use the demineralizer for hard water and then there is a shampoo and conditioner that really helps. My scalp is no longer stained orange. Thank goodness!
I have to say that it GREATLY affects your hair! My hair is destroyed because of my water. It turns even my toilet bowls orange! I never switched shampoos or conditioners and my hair was unbelievably healthy and shiny. I moved here and its completely dry and brittle. I didnt know what was happening until I asked my hair stylist.
What do you mean lemonade packets?
Like Crystal light mix or kool-aid lemonade powder mix?
I want to try and just want to make sure!
We used fresh lemons, squeezed them onto the hair soaking it, then we put a shower cap on for 1 hour…. the hair cleared up nicely.
We still noticed minor orange color,so we are going to repeat the process again in a couple days.
I thought this was a gimmic, but it works surprisingly well!
Hi, I have horrible well water, that has definitly made my hair orange, especially when I try to have it colored, I have used the Iron away and it does seem to help. I just bought the chelating product and the Heating hair cap, I hope it works as good for me as it did for Maude. I’m in the mountains of central Ca. and we just are not getting enough rain and snow, anymore. I want a water softener, next on the list!
Hello, i have very very very bad hard water.
My hair turns ORANGE from it and getting malibu treatments definitely help it is something you can do at home for about $3 however getting it done is a better option because a salon has better heating caps and clarifying shampoos specially designed for pre-treatment the costs is about $15 each time for me but the results prove to be worth it. Also, yes blonde hair is affected more than others because it shows the buildup more.
Malibu Wellness put out a new line of treatments called Malibu Wellness Actives that are based on the same patented technology in the Crystal Gel treatment everyone’s talking about above. The treatments are formulated for different purposes — brightening blondes and highlights, hard water, swimmers hair, dandruff and eczema, extensions and wigs, relaxing and straightening, prepping for color, etc. Very inexpensive, travel-friendly packets you mix up in your hands before applying.
I used to live in the city and I had white hair. We moved to the country and are on a well and now my hair is a horrible yellow! I’ve tried every product on the market and also home remedies and NOTHING removes it, not even Malibu products. I’ve spent a small fortune. I’m trying a shower filter now hoping for some kind of results. Can’t afford the water softener for the home. Seems like there should be something out there that really works. I’d really hate to move back to the city but looks like that might be the only option.
I have very hard, iron rich water where I live in MN. I have well water and my softner went out a while ago. Without the water softner, my blond hair turns a bright orangish color.
I use Malibu 2000 and the difference is dramatic. Once we get a new softner, I don’t think I’ll need the Malibu, but for now, if I don’t use it, my husband calls me pumpkin head after about a month without the Malibu treatment.
I beg to differ w/ some of your negative comments about well water and Malibu Treatments. I live in SW Minnesota. My hair never got past my shoulders. It was breaking off even w/ spendy salon products. My hairdresser always commented about smelling the iron in my hair. Perm solutions were dark purple. My hair is white in front (au natural). Our water is softened (40 grain hardness w/ rust and manganese – blackish stuff). I don’t get the orange colors others have mentioned but I wouldn’t be w/o the Malibu. For the past year monthly Malibu’s have left my hair softer & healthier. It dry’s much quicker and has grown to just below armpit length even with a couple inches cut off to grow out layers. Often it felt like I already had a trim just from the treatment. It’s not a marketing gimmick!
We can only go where the scientific evidence points us. Your anecdotal story is not supported by scientific studies. It may very well be true as you say it, there just isn’t any scientific proof that it is.
I live in Minneapolis and have been coloring my hair with Aveda color for years. For the past 6 years or so my color does not last as long due to the water in my home. We have hard water, use a softener. My color tech does not know what to do with my hair. When I get it colored, under the foil, she says it bubbles and smells. It’s burning off the junk build up in my hair. One of her co-workers said to use a Malibu product to help remove the brassy/greenish tones my hair turns about a month after the new color. I spend about $100 on my color at an Aveda salon… something has to work to keep the nice expensive color that I paid for… what will help. I need an answer from someone that knows what they are talking about…
I also disagree with thebeautybrains statement that hard water staining blond hair is a gimmick. I have lived in rural Ohio all of my life and have battled rust discoloration in my light blond hair. Even with a water softener, rust stains our tub and toilet as well as my hair. Malibu treatments do help. Sally Beauty Supply sells the Ion clarifying treatment line which includes shampoos, conditioners and crystal gels to rid your hair of rust and minerals. I use the shampoo daily and the gel as needed. I have also tried the lemonade powder home remedy – works as a quick temporary fix. Sometimes life experience trumps “scientific data”.
I have rusty well water and I have had the MALIBU TREATMENTS on my hair….I found something much cheaper and it WORKS!!!! Buy any lemonade mix in a packet(i.e. KoolAde, Wyler’s, or any store brand of lemonade flavored drink mix without sugar….I use 2 packages per treatment….empty 2 packages in a cup or small bowl and add just enough water to make a thick paste…be careful to not get it watery….work paste through your hair and place on a shower cap….I leave it on for 10-15 minutes…..it may start to burn a little bit…..then wash it out with your shampoo….IT WORKS!!!!
Malibu works for me! We live in Mi and have very high iron bacteria in our region, we have a dual filtration AND dual water softener system-it just isn’t enough to take it all out. Our toilets, sinks and bathtubs still get a hue of orange and when the salt gets low or the filter needs changing (which is 1x a mo) it can become a dark orange/brown film. Muratic acid removes it from the fixtures-don’t even think about on hair. Anyhow, yes iron does deposit into hair, my hair naturally is a medium brown-yet friends would comment how it would shine like copper in the sun, if you take the ends of my long hair and place it near the roots there is a very obvious change in color. I rarely use styling products in my hair and rarely blow dry it, yet the ends would become very dry and brittle, crunchy almost. 6 months ago we started using Malibu Well Water Shampoo and Scalp Wellness Conditioner-I love them both. I rotate them every other day with a few different products and do shampoo twice (it doesn’t suds a lot the first time, the second time only a wee amount suds a lot-use excess on skin to make it softer and less dry) it keeps my hair from getting dry/brittle and any darker. I have yet to do the chelation-I am slightly afraid my ‘copper highlights’ are really premature greys colored by iron
As a side note, we also use and really like the EC Mode skin care products for my finicky combination skin, I’ve had better luck than with Mary Kay, Burts, Clinique, etc. I really like the Zinc C Serum and Oil-less lotion.
Karen Mobley – Thanks for the “heads-up!” I am going to try your suggestion! You were very descriptive and I really appreciate that! I cannot wait to try this! Thanks so much! Heather
I wish people wouldn’t put generalizations out there for everybody to follow. I am from Michigan and my closest friend has prematurely white hair. She moved from the city (Grand Rapids) to the country, in my neighborhood. I warned her about the rusty water turning her hair orange and suggested that she use bottled distilled water on her hair. She didn’t want to spend the money, and well…..now she sports a lovely orange glow! She is living proof!
I will suggest the Malibu Treatments and the lemon packets to her. Thanks for all of your comments. They’ve been very helpful.
I tried Karen’s suggestion of the lemonade packets and it does indeed work. I have extremely hard water. My hair was really orange. I was skeptical. I usually do the malibu treatments but with the cost and the time i thought I’d give this a try. I bought 4 packets of the unsweetened mix. They were 10 for a $1.00. I used four in one shot. I was a bit nervous because when I put it in my hair (I wet it first) I noticed my hands turned yellow. I made a thick paste and covered my hair with it. I left it in for 10 minutes. Does burn a bit but when i rinsed it out i was shocked! My hair was back to it’s original color. It even has the body and shine too. Give it a try. word of caution: I got some of the mix on the bathroom counter and it stained it yeallow but I’m sure with a little bleach it will come out!
YES!! I have grown up with well water, and we do not have a treatment on it and my hair has always turned a burnt orange after just a few washes. I recently moved back to my childhood home and I have color treated hair. I bought ION for Hard Water but it is not doing the trick this time!! I am looking for a product that does work. I think in the past I used Malibu, but I can not remember as it was 10 years a go. All I know is that the water does make your hair turn orange
A white haired client came in with yellow-orange nicotine build-up in the front of her hair. Naturally, I give her a malibu. I cut and style her hair ;still a tinge yellowish , but so much better than it was. 5 days later I get a call that her hair is reddish pink. She has not washed her hair since she left the salon and when she arrives for me to check it out, I can tell she hasn’t washed it by the smell and look of her hair (elderly lady) and it is a pinky reddish color….only where the nicotine was severly built up. When she left the salon…it was not like this. Any comments on what this could be? I now have her under the dryer for a 2nd malibu hopefully this will help but if not? What do you think happened?
i tried the unsweetened lemonade powder packs…it’s wonderful..i’ve been using malibu 2000 iron away packets for years and spending lots of money…now i dont have to…lemonade packets are the way to go..i had some off brand lemonade packets that i didn’t like so i tried them…please take my word for it….i’ll never use malibu 2000 again as long as they continue to make lemonade…GREAT STUFF !!!
I myself have very hard well water with iron deposits which has stained my blonde hair orange and been resistent to boxed dyes. This seems to especially be a problem during my pregnancies which by beautician said is also due to hormonal changes during that time. It got so bad I was a brunette for some time. She suggested a clarifying pre treatment spray before each wash and it really has made all the difference. I love being a blonde, we really do have more fun than brassy oranges:)
My husband is Santa Claus and has naturally white hair and beard. The iron and rust from our pipes has turned it yellow. Water can definately stain hair. I am a cosmetologist and still haven’t found a way to remove the stains. I’m open to any NEW suggestions
i have been on your sight to find a lot of people out their are battling the same problems i have with my hair, my hair has also stained a rust colour from the water. i am desperate to try your products the treatment the shampoo and conditioner. your website wont allow me to buy it it wont accept my address. please help im dessperate
regards
kerry
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I recently died my hair from light brown to blonde and after a few weeks my hair started to turn an orangeish-yellowish color from the rust water in my shower. We use well water as well as a water softener but, it still didn’t help, not enough. So today I am going in for a malibu and new hair color. Hopefully one that won’t turn as bad in the next few weeks!
Here is my story, for what it is worth… 2 years ago I had long, dark, shiny healthy hair. I was always complimented on the gloss and dark chocolate color. I never colored. I didn’t use any products, just organic shampoo. Never used a blow dryer, curling iron, hair spray, nothing! Then we moved into our farmhouse. Yesterday I had my now brassy, dry, brittle, nasty straw-like hair cut to just below my chin with layers to disguise the hacked up broken pieces of my former locks that literally looked like someone had been pulling out in chunks. Guess what the salon determined was my problem? My water! This after turning over every other rock, speaking to holistic practitioners, supplementing my diet with raw hemp seed oil, eating avocadoes like they were going out of style… Not only was my hair suffering, but my family’s health as well. My husband’s thick, black hair has been thinning noticably too. We just chalked it up to his turning 43. I’ve also wondered why my 8 year old daughter’s hair refuses to grow past her shoulders. My oldest daughter has been suffering from scaly scalp and her hair has a terrible brassy color to it. She also has long hair but it has appeared to have stopped growing over the last several months where as before it would often grow to her hips. I could go on and on. Even my son’s thick hair looks thin and brittle and has started falling out in patches. Now it seems so obvious that I feel foolish for not figuring this out sooner! Sadly, by not figuring out the cause of our woes sooner, I lost my hair. My only consolation is that once we get our water filters in place, do some serious detoxing and continue supplementing my diet, my hair should grow back in healthy, strong and in my natural dark color again by summertime. Btw, when I had my hair cut off, they also did a malibu treatment and my hair actually felt like hair again. I would say that is enough proof to debunk “science”. I am excited to do the lemonade treatments on the rest of the family. While I am grateful for the malibu treatment, it did cost quite a bit at the salon. This has been a huge learning experience for me because we are a holistic family and I have always just assumed that our country water was safe. We have always lived in the country and have never experienced anything like this until we moved here to this particular farm. Now I’ll be preaching about water testing to everyone!
Question: I just got blond highlights, and I know have water that contains calcium, lime and copper (or I’m assuming. since it stains the white porcelain turquoise green.
If I use these lemon packets on my new highlights, will that damage the color??
Of course, I want to remove the deposits from my hair. but I don’t want to damage the color.
Thoughts?
I tried using the lemonaid treatment to remove the rusty-brassy tinge to my blonde hair and it works incredibly!! I was a huge skeptic in trying it at first, but immediately upon getting out of the shower after washing it out, I could tell a HUGE difference!! It only cost $2.00 to purchase a package of 10 packs of dry lemonade at the grocery store. I mixed 4 packets with about 4 tablespoons of warm water and pulled the content through my hair. Since my hair is so long and thick….I ended up needing to use an additional 4 packets for a second application in order to cover all my hair from scalp to ends. THIS STUFF WORKS!! And, my hair isn’t dry or brittle from a chemical treatment.
When using the lemonade packets, do you get your hair completely wet first or do you put the paste on dry hair?
I have the same problem. My hair turns a brassy, even almost greenish, color after just a few washes. Has anyone tried the Ion clarifying treatment from Sally?
I’m interested in this lemonade powder remedy too. Do you wet your hair completely before using it? What brands has everyone used? Any advice would be great — my hair is in desperate need of some help!
After reading through many comments, only one person mentioned the actual chemistry of the hair. Shampoos and conditioners open the cuticle of the hair when you wash. Things like rust and iron ions from hard water can get up under the cuticle of the hair. This affects the pH of the hair. Natural pH of the hair is about a 5.0. PH stands for potential hydrogen, not potential iron or iron oxide. Malibu treatments are especially effective for chemical hair services because it removes those impurities from the cortex and allows the new chemicals (color, perm solution, relaxer) to deposit better within the cortex. I use them before I do a retouch or virgin color that is blonde because it tends to show up most on light colored hair. But that’s just my preference.
For those using lemonade and vinegar packets, they don’t do for the pH of your hair what a Malibu will. There is a reason we use the treatments at a salon rather than telling you to throw some lemonade or lemon juice on your hair before. People use lemon juice to lighten their hair and it is extremely unhealthy. It removes pigment from your hair and changes the pH. And I can bet a lot of those people dont want to spend the money on an acid-balancing shampoo if they can’t spend the $3 for a Malibu packet.
Do it. Its the best option for your hair.
The previous poster is REALLY interested in ph. Well, just for a FACT my water’s ph was over 10.5 last time I had it tested- three years ago- I used a digital ph meter that I use for gardening and my pool. Which is correct because again, I have used it for my pool and my garden and they do well. I think the lower ph of acids have a wonderful effect on my problem hair. NO I don’t have scientific facts to back it up, just my experience. I have light brown hair, was a dingy auburn/orangish from my water’s HIGH iron (and hardness) content. I also use frost n tip to hightlight heavily…I’m pretty much blonde on the crown and just a bit past that….well I was orange BEFORE I used the lemonade kool aid with conditioner for 30 minutes. LEMME tell you, it has worked better than Malibu (I can get these from my aunt who works in a salon, and I have had them done at the salon) or ION from sally’s. I obviously have only done Ions at home. LEMONADE (FOR ME) IS SO MUCH BETTER!
I am frugal, cheap, whatever you wanna call it. I used to go to the salons and spend 100+ for haircolor and malibu’s that would turn orange after a week or two util I spent another 100+. NOW I spend about 20.00 for three months, with NO WORRIES ABOUT ORANGIES, just pop in the lemonade packets and conditioner for a bit and wash and rinse with distilled water! Again I use the Frost N Tip available at all dollar general’s around 10.00. I do make sure to use as much distilled water instead of my iron laden water. So 10+4+6 (highlights, kool aid, distilled water (i use this for other things as well, so guesstimate)= 20 vs……220 HMMMMMMM. Whaddya think I’m gonna go with???? Seriously, my hair looks just as good as when I had it done in the salons! IF not better because now I can touch up when it gets orange.
I am seriously thinking about a water softener that removes iron, because don’t even get me started about the clothes, sinks, showers, toilets, and anything that gets steamed by my cooking…it all turns that oh so loverly shade of orange.
But Hey the first time in 11 years I can guarantee that my hair will look the way I want. Kudos to those that have shared this cheap tip. I am absoulutley certain that it is better in my situation than Malibu or ION.
Sorry for any shouting, I probably emphasized to much, lol. Good Luck everyone!
i have read all of your postings and i find it all very interesting. i have been coloring my hair for – ok more than 20 years and i have found a few things that work and unfortunatley its all been trial and error – more error sometimes. i learned something very intresting several years ago. for those of us who have blond hair, blond hair is hollow – which is one of the reasons why its easier to color, darker hair has more pegment and its harder to color – as you know if you have very dark hair and want blond or light highlights, they have to “strip” the color off your hair so the can actually color it. i have had the malibu intensive clarifying treatment done twice now both times it been about a week after i colored my hair (to let you know, i use wella 1120 – nordic blond – with a 50 developer) and it seems to have helped. i also use chi silk infusion, so i can get a comb through my hair – its down past my waist. i braid my hair at night and at different times i will put chi on my hair after i have braided it. my hair is very soft in the morning – also i do not wash my hair every day it gets too dry. however, sometimes i just wash my scalp. i braid my hair, shampoo and condition my scalp – if i’m in the shower, i still have it braided but i don’t “shampoo” my braid – i do condition it though. for those of you who have very hard water – you might want to check into reverse osmosis (sp) i have it but only in the kitchen, our water is not that hard. using the lemon juice may be good but remember it acidic
my mom owns a salon and my hair is bleache blond and has a perm on it. were tryin to make it healthyer… and she thinks this will help? and coments? my water is fine lol
The Malibu 2000 Hard Water treatment packs are AMAZING….I moved in with my boyfriend just over a month ago, and my hair is blonded, and he has well water. The water smells like rotten eggs..YUCK! and my hair turned brassy and became very thin and breaking off badly. I used the treatment packet, left it on for about 30- 45 minutes, and what a CHANGE it made. My hair is still a tad brassy but it is so much better. Feels softer and just better. I will be repeating the treatment in a couple of days so will let you know how well it goes. But I do believe it HELPS so much….
I used the packet on my badly colored hair from well water. It turned my hair pink. What happened.
I have recently moved to a new home and have significant orange “stains” all throughout my color treated blonde hair. It is truly horrible; coworkers, my kids, even my kids’ friends have commented on my orange hair. I just ordered a 12 pack of the Malibu 2000 treatment and will let you know if it works. Please – fingers crossed that it will work. Despite your claims that hard water “shouldn’t be a problem” it is certainly a problem for me