What are the "best" sunscreen ingredients?

12346

Comments

  • edited November 2016
    @Doffy90 you can buy from this Australian online shop if you like. I have bought from them before, they are very good and you should definitely check for GWP or stackable coupons. Their shipping policy here: https://www.adorebeauty.com.au/shipping
    i am not sure if it is the cheapest for you though


    anyways IZ replied me on facebook when i asked about stockist.

    > thank you for your message. Unfortunately we only control the distribution of the Invisible Zinc products in Australia. However please see below the website adore beauty, which sells IZ products and ships internationally. Website: http://www.adorebeauty.com.au. Thanks, IZ
  • @Preciousia
    In most books and studies they say Ethylhexyl Salicylate has a good safety profile. Althought it is a bit unstable and can be absorbed to some extend, so I would say it's okay, but not the best.
  • @ preciousia - Cotz is a brand I have heard of, but never tried.  I think I have a sample of it, a tinted version. 

    I tend to shy away from trying new products very often when it comes something I put on my face, too much history of breakouts from trying new things. Now I do proceed with caution, trying new products on my arm first. Even that is not fool-proof. Sometimes the skin on my arm doesn't react, but the skin on my face does.
  • @ preciousia - Oxybenzone was the ingredient that was not reef friendly that I know about. There are others, I am sure. 
  • @lindygirl1960

    That's an issue indeed, the effects on the environment. Many cosmetic ingredients that are no problem for humans may be problematic for reefs, fish etc. nano titanium dioxide is one of them.
  • edited November 2016
    @Peter Sigh. We all make compromises with sunscreens.... there's no perfect one hey! in the meantime.. i have added that sunscreen you pointed out to my wish list, the first full chemical sunscreen! :)

    @lindygirl1960 yes.. i understand what you mean about patch test. i tested something behind my ears where i am supposed to be sensitive and the allergy didn't come up. i suggest you be extra cautious, try behind the ears, underside of arms/elbow, then on the jaw or a small nominated spot on the face last. test for a few days. someone taught me that.

    the sad thing with allergies is, in australia 50% say they have sensitive skin but no one knows exactly what they are sensitive to! i guess you don't know what sets you off either?

    What other ingredients are not reef friendly? i'll go to the beach this summer. 
  • @Peter What do you think of this : Innisfree Perfect UV Protection Cream Triple Care SPF50+ PA+++ 50ml Sunscreen?

    image

    Product info
    A multifunctional, water resistant UV protection cream that is smooth to the touch without being sticky and lasts for hours.
    • 5-Free system : Free of animal ingredients, mineral oils, artificial coloring, tar dye and talc.

    • 3 functions in one product [Anti-aging & Whitening & UV Protection] 
    Ingredients:
    • water, cyclopentasiloxane, zinc oxide (ci 77947), dipropylene glycol, butylene glycol, peg-10 dimethicone, dicaprylyl carbonate, titanium dioxide (ci 77891), isodecyl neopentanoate, niacinamide, disteardimonium hectorite, camellia sinensis leaf extract, mica (ci 77019), dimethicone, magnesium sulfate, methyl methacrylate crosspolymer, methicone, phenoxyethanol, aluminum hydroxide, glyceryl caprylate, fragrance, dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer, stearic acid, polyglyceryl-6 polyricinoleate, tocopheryl acetate, caprylyl glycol, adenosine, iron oxides (ci 77492), triethoxycaprylylsilane, biosaccharide gum-1, iron oxides (ci 77491), iron oxides (ci 77499), helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil, camellia japonica leaf extract, orchid extract, citrus unshiu peel extract, opuntia coccinellifera fruit extract, saccharomyces ferment lysate filtrate​
      • Quick Ingredients analysis
        • Pure physical, no chemical filters. Primarily Zinc Oxide & Titanium Dioxide 
        • niacinamide : (10th ingredient), anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory, essential for skin health 
        • camellia sinensis leaf extract: aka green tea, boost UV protection reference
        • adenosine : Adenosine is a yeast-derived ingredient that functions as a good soothing and skin-restoring ingredient. Cell-communicating ingredient with anti-irritant and anti-inflammatory effects. Additionally, adenosine supports healthy cell function. reference
        • biosaccharide gum-1: A moisturizing and skin soothing ingredient. It works by binding water to the epidermis, and creating a moisture-binding film on the skin that gives the skin a soft, smooth feeling. In addition to providing long lasting moisturization, it also functions as an anti-irritant. It can be found in a variety of cosmetics such as facial moisturizer, sunscreen, eye cream, foundation and conditioner. reference
        • helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil:
          • Sunflower oil is high in the essential vitamin E and low in saturated fat, also containing lecithin, tocopherols, carotenoids and waxes.
          • Fatty acid profile (will differ depending on the types: 
          • Palmitic acid (saturated): 5%
          • Stearic acid (saturated): 6%
          • Oleic acid (monounsaturated omega-9): 30%
          • Linoleic acid (polyunsaturated omega-6): 59%
          • reference
        • camellia japonica leaf extract: anti-oxidant and anti-aging. reference
        • orchid extract: reduce the look of fine lines and wrinkles, behave as an anti-oxidant and humectant, moisturize, soothe, and condition our skin. reference
        • citrus unshiu peel extract: photoprotection, anti-oxidant reference
        • opuntia coccinellifera fruit extract:  AKA Prickly Pear. Promoting ceramide synthesis and production of natural moisturizing factor of the skin reference
        • saccharomyces ferment lysate filtrate​: a yeast extract containing cytokines and growth factors that when topically applied stimulate elastin production, defends against the detrimental effects of ozone (which has an ability to deplete antioxidants in the skin) and improves the barrier function of the skin. reference
      • No Parabens
      • No Mineral oil
  • edited November 2016
    @Preciousia
    The product does contain fragrance (reference, reference, reference also fragrance may have endocrine disrupting properties, think of lavender), orchid extract (reference) and citrus unshiu peel extract (reference).

    The company does use nano-particles, because triethoxycaprylylsilane and aluminum hydroxide are coatings for nano particles.

    It does contain tocopheryl acetate, which is an ester of vitamin E.
  • edited November 2016
    @Peter

    Thank you Peter for the references

    The ingredient "fragrance" could mean quite a lot of ingredients... which companies do not have to disclose. I have tried the product and the smell is very mild. Thankfully, no lavender in there. 

    The journal you reference had this that was interesting.

    >Moderate UVA-induced haemolysis (5-11%) was found with benzyl alcohol, bergamot oil, costus root oil, lime oil, orange oil, alpha-amyl cinnamic aldehyde and laurel leaf oil. 

    >Moderate UVB-induced haemolysis was induced by hydroxy citronellal, cinnamic alcohol, cinnamic aldehyde, alpha-amyl cinnamic aldehyde and laurel leaf oil.

    Most commercial brands contain fragrance unfortunately! :(

    Interesting thing about the citrus unshiu peel extract , i found a study that says it provides photo protection. reference so instead of making the skin more photosensitive or photo toxic... it boosts sun protection?

    Regarding orchid extract. i found this other reference that says that it is an antioxidant and is good. Perhaps Paula's choice rated it poorly due to the lack of medical studies. 

    Looks like most sunscreens use the synthetic Vitamin E tocopheryl acetate... i wonder if it is due to the oxidative instability of natural Vitamin E. Dr Todorov did advise us to get vitamin E capsules instead of a bottle of Vitamin E for DIY.

    For any sunscreen that is as cosmetically elegant as the Innisfree sunscreen, the sunscreen is undoubtedly microsized. I am not sure about nano sized as they do not provide that information.

    do you have idea about the number (ci 77947) that appears beside  zinc oxide and (ci 77891) for titanium dioxide ?
  • What about this other Innisfree sunscreen?

    image

    Ingredients: cyclopentasiloxane, water, zinc oxide (ci 77947), titanium dioxide (ci 77891), methyl methacrylate crosspolymer, peg-10 dimethicone, isodecyl neopentanoate, silica, mica (ci 77019), dipropylene glycol, disteardimonium hectorite, glycerin, cyclomethicone, magnesium sulfate, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum stearate, vinyl dimethicone/methicone silsesquioxane crosspolymer, polymethyl methacrylate, methicone, stearoyl inulin, phenoxyethanol, sorbitan sesquioleate, fragrance, caprylyl glycol, propanediol, microcrystalline cellulose, dimethicone/vinyl dimethicone crosspolymer, glyceryl caprylate, polyglyceryl-6 polyricinoleate, camellia sinensis leaf extract, ethylhexylglycerin, dimethicone, iron oxides (ci 77492), triethoxycaprylylsilane, portulaca oleracea extract, centella asiatica extract, cellulose gum, iron oxides (ci 77491), iron oxides (ci 77499), helianthus annuus (sunflower) seed oil, hamamelis virginiana (witch hazel) leaf extract, opuntia coccinellifera fruit extract, camellia japonica leaf extract, orchid extract, citrus unshiu peel extract, citric acid, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate

    it contains green tea extract, gotu gola and a couple of other similar ingredients as the other including fragrance.
  • edited November 2016
    I really don't want to use a product with fragrance, even when the smell is mild or the fragrance is "non-allergenic". Fragrance doesn't have any function in a cosmetic product, and most importantly it's the main cause of allergies, skin irritation and phototoxic reactions. Stating that a fragrance is natural or hypoallergenic is really nonsense. Hypoallergenic fragrance is not regulated term, so a company can add any fragrance he wants to add and still call it hypoallergenic (except for the fragrances which has to be labeled separately, reference) . Also natural fragrance is not better than normal fragrances considering skin irritation and pigmentation issues under uv light.

    So you can skip any product with:
    Fragrance, Aroma, Natural Flavoring, Geraniol, Linalool, Citronellol, Limonene, Eugenol, Lilial (Butylphenyl Methylpropional), Citral, Hexyl Cinnamal, Benzyl Salicylate, Coumarin, Lyral (hydroxyisohexyl-3-cyclohexene carboxaldehyde), Benzyl Benzoate, Isomethylionon, Hydroxycitronellal, Benzyl Alcohol, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Isoeugenol, Amyl Cinnal, Cinnamal, Farnesol, Benzyl Cinnamate, Oak Moss, Anisyl Alcohol, Amylcinnamyl alcohol, Methyl Heptine Carbonate, Trea Moss, Bergamot Oil, Lime Oil, Citrus Oil, Lavender, Rosemary Extract.

    Interesting article on Citrus Unshiu Peel Extract. I don't know the exact composition of Citrus Unshiu Peel Extract, maybe it doesn't contain volatile/irritating/phototoxic compound, but then I really have to search for the composition of this extract. For now I believe Paula's Choice on this specific ingredient and I rather stick to the well researched actives. I don't see the benefit of using something that might be irritating, without any good record on its skin benefit. Btw there are also positive articles on Lavender or Tea Trea Oil, many plant extracts contain good antioxidant compounds, but most of the time together with some irritating compounds. 

    I find micronized a misleading word, because although the mean particle size might be just above 100nm, still a considerable amount of the particles will be in the nano-range. Also most companies just refer to the clustered particle size, rather than the individual particle size. If the company has been fiddling with the particle size, always a certain percentage will fall in the nano-range, and then it would be best that the particles have a coating. Non-coated titanium dioxide is extremely photo-catalytic and causes formation of free radicals. But even with a coating you can't completely avoid the formation of free radicals with titanium dioxide. It is hypothesized the particles stay in top layer of skin cells on non abraded, non stretched skin where the free radicals can't do much harm, but in reality after prolonged usage certainly some will enter deeper skin layers. 

    CI77947 and CI77891 are the color index codes of zinc oxide and titanium dioxide. It's a bit strange because physical uv filters are never listed by their color index code, as far as I know that's not allowed (at least in Europe it's not allowed).

    The irritating plant extract are used in low concentrations (so also green tea), so maybe the benefit of the sunfilters is larger than the negatives of the plant extracts. But I would rather choose the mildest sunscreen I could find, also many actives simply don't work very well in sunscreens. The sunscreen should stay on top of your skin, while the actives should penetrate deeply in your skin, and that's not a great combo. So most of the time a serum or cream with actives under you sunscreen is a better idea.
  • edited November 2016
    @Peter i understand what you are saying about fragrance and it's new to me that i am learning now. Since stopping my dermatologist's products since he retired this year, i started to learn about skincare starting only in 2016 and there is still so much i do not know :) thanks for sharing. I realise now that 1 ingredient "fragrance" can mean so many ingredients! Thanks to Beautybrains!

    Korean skincare has a lot of undocumented ingredients that are not as well researched (Paula's gripe) ... they are actually surprising quite good. Weird ingredients like pig, starfish, horse, donkey, snail. even spiders. gross!





    I think i've got a question for beautybrains if it hasn't been covered before.... i really need to know know more about photo-toxicity, photo-sensitivity. Do you know if this has been covered before?

    QUESTION: ARE ALL CITRUS BAD to use in the day? 


    Hesperidin is a bioflavonoid existing extensively in the peel and membranes of citrus fruits. Studies by Zhu and colleagues have demonstrated hesperidin's potent ability to inhibit melanin synthesis without cytotoxicity. This work found dose-dependent inhibition of tyrosinase activity (vs control) of hesperidin in melanoma B16 cells and human primary melanocytes (Figure 1Zhang et al., 2008). In addition, hesperidin was found to protect against UVA-induced damage of fibroblasts and oxidative damage of collagen (Proteggente et al., 2003). Thus, hesperidin offers potential skin-lightening benefits, including improved overall skin tone and antiyellowing effects.

    source


    i have been using my Mad Hippie Vitamin C serum and i have ZERO sensitivity from the grapefruit (citrus grandis) ingredient. Just like they said: 

    "Thank you for reaching out! Our Vitamin C Serum does not contain grapefruit peel (or grapefruit essential oil) which contains bergapten, a phototoxic agent found in the peel of many citrus fruits. It is safe for daytime use and is great for increasing the photoprotective qualities of your SPF during the day as it contains lots of antioxidants that ward off photodamage. "


    Citrus fruits are actually sources of vitamin C. I have used Lemon juice undiluted on my body with excellent results. Never on the face though.

  • @Peter What do you think of this sunscreen?

    {SIMPLE as that} 100% Natural Sunscreen Lotion SPF30

    Active Ingredient: Zinc Oxide

    Inactive Ingredients: Aqua, Isoamyl Laurate, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Cetearyl Alcohol, Fragrance, Glycerin, Hydroxypropyl Starch Phosphate, Sorbitan Stearate, Glyceryl Isostearate, Xanthan Gum, Rubus Idaeus Seed Oil, Cetearyl Glucoside, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Sucrose Cocoate, Rosa Canina  Fruit Oil, Carthamus Tinctorius Seed Oil, Cucumis Sativus Fruit Extract, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract.

    Size: 100ml.

    Made in Australia.

    https://naturalsupplyco.com/products/simple-as-that-100-natural-sunscreen-lotion-spf30


  • edited November 2016
    @preciousia ;
    Well some citrus extracts may have vitamine C, but in the final formulation it's going to be somewhere around 0.0001-0.01%. Not even close to the 23% vitamin C from the ordinary for example. I don't think all citrus extracts are bad. But from what I've learned sunscreen actives, preservatives, fragrance and certain plant extracts are the most problematic cosmetic ingredients. Maybe I have to dig deeper into this issue, I just believed all the information from the cosmetic dermatology books I've read, and from what Paula Begoun, Leslie Baumann and Zoe Drealos say (Zoe Drealos, Paula). But those sources only state which extracts not to use, not the exact composition of the extract. Plant extracts are mega complex, they contain such an extreme amount of different compounds. Fragrance can consist of 200-500 different compounds (link). This book looks a bit in the composition of essential oils, link.

    Hesperadin is indeed a good compound of the peel of citrus fruits. Almost all plant extracts contain some good compounds, like antioxidants, but very often together with phototoxic compounds. You won't see much irritation perhaps, but over time it will definitely increase hyperpigmentation in skin. 
    Beside the fragrance the suncreen looks good.
  • @Peter Spot on again! 

    the % of vitamin C in citrus is really low. the highest fruit with 10x vitamin C of orange is Kakadu Plum... at best only 5% of the fruit is vitamin c. not sure how much an extract will contain though.

    yes, it seems too i need to dig a little more into citrus fruit and photo - toxicity

    >Plant extracts are mega complex,
    *nod profusely* and different extracts have quality too. depending on who/where/what you extract the manufacturer gets.

    Thanks for the fragrance links... i'm learning heaps from you! Appreciate it :)

    To target pigmentation, plants extracts are essential. 

    Plants contain tyrosinase inhibitors, flavonoids, polyphenols, neo glycoproteins, phytosterols, proanthocyanidins ( apigenin, luteolin, rutin, quercetin, genistein, daidzein, and glycitein), pycogenlol, liquirtin, phytoestrogens, antioxidants ... and many more. 

    Many are not replaceable by synthetic / man made / chemical ingredients.

    i wonder how they do the extraction process and how concentrated/potent is the extract.
    Unlike eg synthetic ingredients eg Niacinamide, plant extracts have different quality... i am not sure some brands that are really chaeap are using the best ingredients.

    btw, i just bought some Sulwhasoo ginseng serum from Korea. As a avid lover of ginseng (for consumption) i have used Sulwhasoo's ginseng and found their extract to be of very good quality. (i eat ginseng and they aren't cheap, cheap ginseng don't cut it for me). Less than 20g will cost over AUD$100 i forget the price. The smell from the good ginseng and the poorer quality one is different and i can smell the ginseng extract in Sulwhasoo's products. It's not synthetic as not everyone is a fan of the smell of ginseng, i am sure they don't add the ginseng smell in.



  • edited November 2016

    at first glance i thought it is good too, apart from fragrance but i have some other criticism of the ingredients. Rosehip oil. 

    image

    A german website i go to look at oils advises that rosehip oil (oxidative unstable) NOT be added in formulations for day time use. As a sunscreen. I think it is a NONO. So big cross here for me. even if they had added anti-oxidants to make Rosehip oil more stable, still not good enough. similar to what you say about Vitamin C in water... stability issues. maybe the other reason they advised it is also rosehip contains betacarotene, a precursor of trans-retinoic acid?

    This German website specialise in oils teaches us not only is the use of sunscreen important in the fight against aging , but also which oils one uses during the day. They have a list of oils with very detailed information. Unfortunately it's in German (i use chrome to translate). 

    Oils to avoid in the day are: rosehip, evening primrose, pomegranate seed and other oils with α- and γ-linolenic acid eg. hemp, elder, currant and other seed oils. Oils strongly susceptible to oxidation such as rosehip, evening primrose, pomegranate oil and other oils with parts of α and γ-linolenic acid and high linoleic acid (e.g. hemp, elder, currant and other seed oils). 


    The oils used by sunscreen is an important consideration i look at when i assess sunscreens. They must not be unstable in the sun. i elaborated it here and here
  • edited November 2016
    @preciousia
    With regard to plant extracts, I tend to believe the cosmetic dictionary of Paula's Choice. Many natural ingredients or plant extracts are great, like green tea, genistein, evodia, ergothioneine etc., but some just have irritating compounds in them, like bergamot, lavender, peppermint, citrus extracts (some references linklink, linklink, link). In all studies on photodermatology and cosmetic dermatology the plant extracts Paula rates as poor are indeed explained as being skin sensitizers which can aggravate hyperpigmentation issues. In that regard I think her cosmetic dictionary is really accurate.

    "Plants contain tyrosinase inhibitors..."
    Many indeed can be helpful with pigmentation issues that can be used without any problem indeed. Kojic Acid, Arbutin, Licorice, Niacinamide, Glycolic Acid, polyphenols.... on the other hand eucalyptus, citrus extracts and many other plants can cause pigmentation issues.

    Could be that there's a difference in quality between companies, I don't know, but most companies just buy the actives at large suppliers of cosmetic ingredients. That's the advantage of very large multinational companies btw, they are afraid of lawsuits, so there testing is very strict, also they are more honest at stating if they use nano ingredients. Disadvantage, often they use very low amounts of active ingredients, because high concentrations can irritate skin, their solution is to make very blend products.

    Some people even say you can't use vitamin C during the day, because it's unstable. But that's not true, many studies have proven it to provide protection against uv radiation. I was researching rosehip oil as well, some studies say it contains about 0.0001-0.000035% retinoic acid, could be a the reason not to use it during the day? I know there are many studies which assesed the photoprotective properties of some oils, I don't know if you need to avoid unstable oils, but you need to avoid photosensitive and fragrant plant oils, because they stimulate hyperpigmentation under UV-light.
  • edited November 2016
    @Peter i like Paula's cosmetic dictionary.. good for the lay person like me.

    Paula herself has very sensitive skin tho! So thankfully i do not have that isue.

    eucalyptus is poweful! i would not use it on the face. i use it to kill bacteria and fungal in my laundry, washing, cleaning... :) it's good for colds.. i love this Australian plant! Koala bears eat only Eucalyptus leaves and they sleep all the time because of the toxicity of Eucalyptus.

    The similar ingredient, also aussie Tea Tree can be an irritant too! My hubbt had a full blown skin inflammation, pus, red, scab and all. yikes. so he can use diluted but not undiluted tea tree oil.

    Tea tree is used for acne tho... so sometimes they use "poison" to fight "poison", have you heard of this term?

    >Disadvantage, often they use very low amounts of active ingredients, because high concentrations can irritate skin, their solution is to make very blend products.

    Agree about MNC using low actives and "honesty". I think for logistics too they use low actives as high actives can decrease shelf life of the product (heat/transport etc)

    >Some people even say you can't use vitamin C during the day, because it's unstable.
    maybe use a Vitamin C derivative, not LAA!

  • edited November 2016
    @Peter
    I had done extensive research on Rosehip oil... it may contain trace amounts of trans retinoic acid. See my post

    The presence of all-trans retinoic acid in the oil Rosehip is controversial,  (up to .357 ml/L or 0.036%)

    • A study conducted in Chile states that “the analysis of a batch of rosehip seed oil contained 0.00083% 0.83 mg of trans-retinoic acid / 100 g of oil.”


    • Another study carried out by King’s College London failed to find any trace of this vitamin.

    • At present there is no data to quantify this potential trans retinoic acid in the oil


    i think any form of Vitamin A i will avoid to use during the day too!

    Rosehip oil contains more Beta carotene tho.

    >avoid photosensitive and fragrant plant oils
    Bingo! 

    but yes to unstable oils too as if they oxidise... it's bad for the skin. check out that german website, they did advise the stability of a wide variety of oils.
  • edited November 2016

    image

    finally tried the Blue Lizard sunscreen and it's really quite nice to use. no white cast but i have issues with their sunscreen actives

    after a good amount of education from resident sunscreen expert Peter i know to avoid some sunscreen actives.

    Blue Lizard contains
    • Octinoxate 7.5%
    • Octocrylene 2%
    • Oxybenzone 3%
    • Zinc Oxide 6%
    Octinoxate (Octyl methoxycinnamate / Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate/EHMC)

    • Photodegradation: Yes, 60% Hormonal activity: Yes absorption: Yes free radicals: Yes photoallergenic: Yes 
    • an effective chemical UVB protector.
    • Animal studies indicate that octyl methoxycinnamate may produce hormonal (estrogen-like) and possibly other adverse effects. On the other, such effects have not been demonstrated with typical human use.
    • EWG Hazard Rating: 6
    • Skin Penetration : Found in mothers’ milk; less than 1% skin penetration in human and laboratory studies
    • Hormone Disruption: Hormone-like activity; reproductive system, thyroid and behavioral alterations in animal studies
    • Reference: Krause 2012, Sarveiya 2004, Rodriguez, 2006, Klinubol 2008

    Octocrylene (OCR)

    • Photodegradation: None Hormonal activity: ? absorption: Yes free radicals: Yes photoallergenic: Yes 
    • EWG Hazard Rating: 3
    • Allergies: Relatively high rates of skin allergy
    • Reference: Krause 2012, Bryden 2006, Hayden 2005

    Benzophenone-3 (Oxybenzone)

    • Photodegradation: some, 10% Hormonal activity: Yes absorption: Yes free radicals: Yes photoallergenic: Yes 
    • EWG Hazard Rating : 8
    • Hormone Disruption: Acts like estrogen in the body; alters sperm production in animals; associated with endometriosis in women
    • Relatively high rates of skin allergy
    • References: Janjua 2004, Janjua 2008, Sarveiya 2004, Gonzalez 2006, Rodriguez 2006, Krause 2012


    when i see oxybenzone. i run far far away. i will not purchase this sunscreen and i suggest you do some homework on some of the sunscreen actives? 3 out of 4 sunscreen actives in Blue Lizard is awful, i don't know why the dermatologist recommend it. also, i am not sure... does it contain mineral oil? feels like it. another ingredient i avoid in sunscreen after what Dr Lenz has shared.
  • edited November 2016

    ok... i found the ingredients, no mineral oil but lots of silicone which explains the slip feel of the product.

    Inactive Ingredients: Beeswax, C12-15 alkyl benzoate, cetyl dimethicone, cetyl dimethicone copolyol, diazolidinyl urea, disodium EDTA, ethylhexyl palmitate, ethylhexyl stearate, ethylparaben, fragrance, hexyl laurate, hydrogenated castor oil, methyl glucose dioleate, methylparaben, octododecyl neopentanoate, PEG-7 hydrogenated castor oil, polyglyceryl-4 isostearate, propylene glycol, propylparaben, purified water, sorbitan oleate, stearic acid, tocopheryl acetate (vitamin E), trimethylated silica/dimethicone, VP/hexadecene copolymer

    ingredients:
    • diazolidinyl urea = bad as it releases formaldehyde!
    • fragrance = bad
    • ethylparaben, methylparaben & propylparaben = "It’s a very wise idea to eliminate all personal care products in your arsenal that contain either butyl, ethyl, methyl or propyl parabens because the chemicals are readily absorbed into the body where they are believed to trigger everything from skin irritation and toxicity of the immune, reproductive and neural systems to disruption of the endocrine system. The majority of urine samples obtained from Americans of various socio-economic backgrounds show paraben contamination, which is of great concern since the highly toxic estrogen-mimicking preservatives are also commonly found in the tumors of breast cancer patients." source 
    • 2 of the parabens used are not the WORST parabens. rated 4 in EWG but Propylparaben i will avoid!!! Rated 7 in EWG! see http://thebeautybrains.com/2006/05/the-perils-of-parabens/
    • ethylhexyl palmitate = coconut derivative, may be comedogenic & 
    • "unsustainable harvesting practices of so many major global palm oil suppliers place a continued burden on rainforest species that rely on palm trees and their fruit for their very survival (namely orangutans), earning this ingredient two huge thumbs down."
    • stearic acid = may be comedogenic 
  • edited November 2016
    @Preciousia
    Indeed you should really avoid Oxybenzone and Octinoxate (Octyl methoxycinnamate). They might be "safe" according the FDA, but these days there are so many better stabler sunscreen alternatives around the world that are not absorbed by your skin, don't show phototoxic reactions, and don't have endocrine disrupting properties.

    I really think Tinosorb, Mexoryl, Uvinal A Plus, Uvinul T150, Uvasorb HEB and maybe the physical filters, are the best sunscreen actives out there. 
  • @Peter  Bingo. Oxybenzone is the worst! i will take your advice and stay clear of these sunscreen

    my girlfriend gave me a gift.. sunscreen and i spotted Octinoxate, korean sunscreens call it  p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 13.0px 0.0px; font: 13.0px Helvetica}

     Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate and i had to reject the gift. i felt so bad for rejecting a gift... i told her why (what you taught us) and she couldn't understand why they would include it in a sunscreen if it is bad!



  • edited November 2016
    @preciousia
    Well bad, it's one of the sunfilters with the longest list of side effects. Of course they are approved in America and Europe. Because America only admits very few sunscreen actives, many companies shipping world wide are still using these older filters. However in Europe there are so many options with better sunscreen actives, like Tinosorb, Uvinul and Mexoryl, I don't see the point in using those old filters. Although they might be "safe" according the FDA, definitively there are many concerns regarding allergy, phototoxic reactions, endocrine disruption properties. It is not without a reason companies must warn on the package if a product contains oxybenzone. Also you can't find any sunscreen produced in Europe that uses these kind of sunscreen actives. 
  • edited December 2016
    @Peter You're a good teacher. i have blacklisted the sunscreen ingredients you said. 

    Recently in my beauty box subscription i received a sunscreen that isn't the best either.  :(

    The good is that it is extremely user friendly. No white cast.

    the bad:
    • Bemotrizinol 0.8%,  = Tinosorb S (good)
    • oxybenzone 2.4%, = bad
    • diethylamino hydroxybenzoyl hexyl benzoate 1.9%,  = Uvinul A plus (good)
    • titanium dioxide 2.3%, = good
    • dichlorobenzyl alcohol, = preservative
    • phenoxyethanol, = preservative
    • hydroxybenzoates. = preservative

    also contains Vitamin B3 and E

    such good ingredients but ruined by oxybenzone!

    :(



    >Also you can't find any sunscreen produced in Europe that uses these kind of sunscreen actives. 

    nice! i wish Korea will cut out Octinoxate too... i see it in so many of their sunscreen
  • @Peter

    Interesting video.

  • @Peter

    Interesting video.

  • @Preciousia
    Would love to see my face on a UV camera and see if I apply it correctly ;-) Really hope more skincare brands will formulate sunscreens with the following actives:
    Tinosorb S
    Tinosorb M
    Uvinal A Plus
    Uvinul T150
    Uvasorb HEB
    Mexoryl XL
    Mexoryl SX
  • @preciousia

    Did you try the Hylamide HA Blur already? And what was your opinion on the Azelaic Acid?
  • Hi, I just had to make an account for this! I have been using a natural sunscreen that works wonders for me! I get it from: https://itchy.net.au

    Here is the ingredient list:

    Caprylic/capric triglyceride(plant oil derived), rose hip oil, grape seed oil, sesame seed oil, shea butter, d-aplha tocopheryl(vitamin e) and 260mg/g Zinc Oxide

    It has the highest amount of zinc oxide I have found of any product AND there is no water in the ingredient list so it doesn't dry my skin out! I really recommend trying this out!
Sign In or Register to comment.

Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!