What are the "best" sunscreen ingredients?

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  • @deemedly222
    Thanks for your suggestion. Unfortunately the product does contain fragrance, at least it does in the country where I live.

    Grahams Sunclear SPF30:
    Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Zinc Oxide, Cyclomethicone, Polyethylene, Phenoxyethanol, Vitis Vinifera Seed Extract, Tocopheryl Acetate, Sesamum Indicum Oil, Rosa Canina Fruit Oil, Vegetable Oil, Butyrospermum Parkii Butter, Tribehenin, Parfum, Coumarin.
  • @Peter i believe i shared this... sorry for the late reply

    The Ordinary Azelaic Acid - boo

    I compared 3 Azelaic Acid products since Australia is one of the lucky countries where i can get uber expensive Finacea Gel (cost >$100 in USA) for under $30 here OTC. Also compared with Australian pharma group Ego's Azclear.

    Conclusion: Last place goes to The Ordinary Azelaic Acid



  • @Peter

    Hylamide HA Blur - fail

    compared to other primers i have used.. the texture is too thick it made stuff on my face ball up.

    Bought the Ordinary 2 primers to compare... they are out of stock. SUPER out of stock. you can't even order it from Deciem. The stores in Sydney are bare.
  • @preciousia

    It's so annoying constantly almost half of the products are out of stock. I really want to try the High-Adherence Silicone Primer, since I like the Hylamide HA Blur very much but it's quite expensive.

    At the moment you can't order the 2% retioid, tetra-c, ascorbyl glucoside, alpha lipoic acid, high adherence primer and argireline.
  • edited February 2017
    @Peter

    >At the moment you can't order the 2% retioid, tetra-c, ascorbyl glucoside, alpha lipoic acid, high adherence primer and argireline.

    I like VH :) shhh i am not sure what the costs are for you tax wise, hint might be a way to go.

    What are you getting
  • My tetra-c is almost empty and I really want to try the high adherence primer. 

    Today I bought Aloe Vera Gel and pure Glycerin, as alternatives for shaving cream. Tomorrow I'm going to test if it works better than the cleansing milk I have been using.

    I could choose between these 2, but I've chosen the first one. Panthenol can be sticky...
  • @Peter ;

    i tested the primer in the Deciem showroom... you can AMA

    good luck with the aloe vera. Previously Randy says you can't tell by the ingredients alone :(
  • Peter I am continually not impressed how each option try to pull the wool over the customer's eyes ... the bottom one says 99% but it's 99% gel not 98% aloe vera.

    TOP one Dr organics & price turn me off completely. I would not pick either.

    Sorry.
  • @ Preciousia

    But I don't care for the Aloe Vera, I only want a good slippery shaving kind of gel. After shaving I rinse it off, so beneficial ingredients don't even work. So 99% or 3% Aloe I don't mind, if a pure silicone gel works I would choose that ;-). The first product costs €9.90/200mL and the second €8.75/200mL in The Netherlands, so as a shaving gel I find that price oke. The Cleansing milks I've used were €8.99/200mL, €6.95/200mL and the cheapest €3.49/200mL.

    This morning I tried the Aloe gel. I think it gave me the kind of gel like slippery feel I was looking for. A protective layer stayed on the skin while shaving, but it rinsed of very easily as well. The cleansing milks are more creamy, so a bit less slippery, they don't rinse of as easily, but perhaps that provides a better protective layer. I have to try it for about 2 weeks to be sure if it really works. But I'm interested in the pure Glycerin gel as well, on my hands it felt like a slippery gel, so it might work as well.

    I will let you know how it goes!
  • edited February 2017

    @Peter

     
    Hmmm i was baulking at the Amazon price which was USD20+ ouch
    Really good to know that it is cheaper than I thought.
     
    So you bought this Dr Organic Organic Aloe Vera Gel 200mL Double Strength 
    I found better information here
     
    What do you think of this marketing spin here:
     

    The Dr. Organic Promise:

    • Organic Ingredients: We strive to use organically grown ingredients. When an organic ingredient cannot be used we always source sustainable natural alternatives.
    • Bioactive Ingredients: We use certified bioactive extracts to ensure each product is truly functional by nature.
    • No Harsh Chemicals: We do not use ingredients often criticised for their side effects. We never use parabens, sodium lauryl sulfate (SLS) perfumes or artificial fragrances.
    • No Animal Ingredients: All our products are suitable for vegetarians. In some instances we use by- products from animals such as snail gel or as in the case of bee’s wax, honey, propolis, and royal jelly. 
    • No Animal Testing: Our Products are always tested on human volunteers to ensure they are entirely safe and effective. No animal tests are ever performed on finished products or raw materials.
    • No Mineral Oils: Petro-chemicals such as paraffin and petroleum are avoided, plant based oils and extracts are used.
    • No GM Ingredients: Genetically modified or genetically engineered organisms are avoided to ensure all formulations are as natural as possible.
    • Preservatives: Where necessary preservatives are used to guarantee product safety and shelf life. Only the highest grade broad spectrum naturally derived preservatives are used.

     

     
    At the price you shared €9.90/200mL = AUD13,65 
    that's fair. similar to the prices here.
    Amazon does a crap job at selling products there isn't much info on the initial link
     
     
    I really hope the aloe gel goes well for you... if noti was going to suggest a hair gel lol :D
    There is this bottle of hair gel sitting in my cupboard that has actually rather interesting ingredients, perhaps even possibly not too bad for the face (except parfum you will not approve)... does hair/skin products go both ways... sometimes they do.
     
    What do you think?
     
    Ingredients: Water Aqua, VP/Dimethylaminoethylmethacrylate Copolymer, PVP, PPG-5-Ceteth-20, Polysorbate-20, Triisopropanolamine, Carbomer, DMDM Hydantoin, Sorbitol, Propylene Glycol, PEG-12 Dimethicone, Olealkonium Chloride, Tetrasodium EDTA, Panthenol, Gelatin/Keratin Amino Acids/Lysine Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride, Fragrance (Parfum), Ext. Violet 2 CI 60730.

     
     

     
    Glycerin viscosity is too low don't bother.. You need like a xanthan gum, or carbomer even hylauronic acid can help thicken it. glycerin isn't really good for the skin and i wouldn't use 100%! :) i forget the recommended quantity was it 5 or 10? 
     
    Since it wouldn't be on your skin for long, perhaps it isn't too important to get one with good... look forward to your updates on what works! How fun... my hubby stands by aloe vera for shaving. :)
     
    if it is too tough to wipe, get a micro fibre towel 


  • The Glycerin I have is very thick, much more viscous than the Aloe Gel. But do you think it's bad when your face is wet and you rinse it off immediately?

    I'm a bit worried about the sensitization to Aloe, Anthraquinones can form free radicals as well, see this post

    On AsianBeauty I'm getting downvoted as well. It's really true they only want to hear positive things about asian skincare (look at the bottom of the page, I deleted my comments already).
  • edited February 2017
    >But do you think it's bad when your face is wet and you rinse it off immediately?

    no... not bad... carry on. Glycerin is good for skin but perhaps at too high concentration for cosmetics it not ideal. Since you leave on for a short time only (for shaving)  no harm... and you can use glycerin to play with your niacinamide. made a simple serum/toner, :) good to play with

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  • edited February 2017



    Sorry to hear about your downvotes. :( I wonder why they are so nasty to you! omg! I couldn't find it at first. I have reported the nasty people. Such behaviour is likened to cyber bullying. A lot of the participants are much younger than you and me. half my age too. I'm 37. Another girl was only 21. Big difference in terms of experience.


    That's why they are so immature in their speech. I have to think that to forgive them because they are young and they don't know what they are doing is hurtful.


    it is human nature. They like to hear only what they want to hear.  It's not too bad, Please do not let it get to you. Take a step backwards. I had like several nasty comments yesterday. Trolls.  the correct response is to NOT RESPOND. or internet slang do not feed the trolls :) 


    Catholics will know St Therese who said. "Do not Engage, but Pray". I often think of her when the bullies come and remember to be above it. Their remarks do not dignify a response. 


    They do that because they are empowered by the anonymity of the internet. You can see, some accounts are special "troll" accounts, as people do not sacrifice their main account to say nasty things. Check the account details of the offenders/perpetrators in the future. Often when they say a nasty comment is to incite you to respond and slip your tail. Do not be nasty back. It is on them if they want to be nasty. I don't soil my fingers typing negativity.


    Reddit karma is a silly thing really. You can buy food or beauty with it, as it is you have a superb and healthy karma (which means you have contributed) and many have found you helpful. Really impressed with how many points you garnered since you started :) I am going to catchup hehe... competitive streak


    When I posted my negative review 10 Deciem products I had a lot of downvotes too. Someone said I should expect it to perform lousier as the products are cheap. but overall... the percentage was like 60-70% going up and down like crazy with like 80 votes in a short term of 4 hours with majority of the users (America) still in bed. 


    If you like i shall set up SkinCareGOLD for premium quality members (gold only) to discuss and cut out the crappy idiots. i do find the interface more user friendly :)

  • edited February 2017
    Sometimes I think I'm going to stop writing all the things I've found in literature. People on reddit mainly want to follow their own way, so it is hurtful if you've been reading and researching something and other people simply downvote everything they don't like. I've unsubscribed from AsianBeauty, I don't agree about the things they say, and they don't want me to say anything anyway. So there's no reason to be there. It's nicer to focus on the more informative posts discussing some research...

    Well I've 21 days of reddit gold left, so not that long ;-)

    But perhaps you are right about the glycerin, pure glycerin can also be irritating to skin... so I will keep using the Aloe for a while, but if I don't like it I'm going back to a surfactant free cleansing milk. Dermatologist recommend eczema patient often to use their emollient or just a regular moisturizer for shaving and their emollient as a soap substitute , since it's much milder, link, link, link.
  • Tada. I said i will do it and indeed I shall

    Away from the noise. NO acne. Gold member only. Creme da la creme.
  • ps: i bought a years worth of reddit gold. the blog will be transferred eventally to reddit gold version 



    some will be on /r/pigmentation. some on /r/sunblock.

    but of course the good stuff for gold people.

    i'll be on a 40 day break. till Easter. Ash Wednesday starts this week. I shall be fasting from social media.
  • Thanks to Peter's fine education. I have studied a lil more of the limitations of Zinc oxide, great if only micron or microsized >100nm but nanosized.... rather different. Refer to

    3 particle sizes monochromatic absorbance measurements The inset shows the effect of particle size on absorbance at a wavelength of 290 nm.



    See the direct relationship with particle size and absorption of ZnO.
    As ZnO particle size go down, the protection shifts from UVA to UVB.



    UV Filter Absorbance Spectrum including Tinosorb S Aqua, Tinosorb M, nano Zinc oxide.



    10% Tinosorb M & 25% nano Zinc oxide (EU maximum) compared using the BASF calculator. As you can see y axis has the same values and you can see at 400nm, Tinosorb M is only marginally better.

    image

    Titanium Dioxide absorption spectrum compared at different particle sizes Nano 20n 50nm, micro 100nm 220nm




    Issue: Inadequate UVA coverage from Nano mineral sunscreens.

    So after testing for a year of zinc sunscreens work for me in Aussie & Asia sun. ie Invisible Zinc! Tried & Tested. Proven to work for Australia sun.

    Problem of course, it's not an everyday sunscreen to wear non nano>100nm Zinc oxide at 25-27%. Argh. White cast too, despite the name. Invisible Zinc SPF30 sunscreens are much better, little to no white cast. To stick to SPF50 means heavy duty sunscreen (but not like your classiz zinc paste, nicer!)

    Using the Asian sunscreens I tried with lower contents of Zinc, the UV protection is not the same UV protection. Sure I bought SPF50+ PA+++ (UVAPF8-15+)
    This cosmetic elegance came at a cost. I tanned when I vacationed. Just a moment of careless (15 min technically is all it takes). Tan=UV damage. Also got new pigmentation on my arms and decolletage where I forget to use sunscreen, which thankfully I eradicated now. On my face, though did not burn, I tanned and experienced darker pigmentation. :( The asian sunscreens are very cosmetically elegant, easy to layer makeup, great "indoor sunscreen".

    Conclusion based on my experience:
    • A pure microsized Zinc oxide sunscreen protects very well.
    • Pure mineral TiO2 + ZnO (nano sized) provides insufficient coverage.
    • Going to find a chemical filter higher in UVA if cosmetic elegance required especially one that supplements zinc oxide >377nm


    imho, The best UVA1 sunscreen actives are :

    1) Zinc oxide (>100nm of course. NON NANO!)
    Critical Wavelength: up to 700nm, dependent on particle size. BASF nano sized Zcote 384 nm for (water phase) 377nm (oil phase)

    2) Tinosorb M (Physical+Chemical hybrid)
    Critical Wavelength: 384 nm

    3) Tinosorb S Aqua
    Critical Wavelength: 381 nm

    - Uvinul A plus Critical Wavelength: 379 nm

    - Titanium Dioxide (nano) - 375nm (oil phase) 376 (water phase)
    -
    - Mexoryl SX / Ecamsule: Critical Wavelength: 373 nm

  • To prepare for summer.

    I just bought 5 new sunscreens. All fragrance and alcohol free. 4 are silicone free. To test physical+chemical mixes this summer (December-February in AU)

    UltraSun Anti-Ageing Tinted SPF 50+ PA++++
    • Tinosorb M
    • Uvinul T 150
    • Titanium Dioxide (Nano)
    • Eusolex T-Easy - dual coated with Silica & Cetyl Phosphate
    • Tinosorb S
    • Uvinul A Plus
    • Ethylhexyl Salicylate
    ingredients: Aqua, Isostearyl Isostearate, Pentylene Glycol, Methylene Bis-Benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol (Nano), Ethylhexyl Triazone, Glycerin, Titanium Dioxide (Nano), Bis-Ethylhexyloxyphenol Methoxyphenyl Triazine, Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl Benzoate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate, Polyacrylate Crosspolymer-6, C12-15 Alkyl Benzoate, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Silica, Ectoin, Squalane, Cocoglycerides, Hydrogenated Phosphatidylcholine, Vitis Vinifera Seed Extract, Alcohol, Cetyl Phosphate, T-Butyl Alcohol, Lecithin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Ascorbyl Tetraisopalmitate, Tocopherol, Diisopropyl Adipate, Ubiquinone, CI 77019, CI 77491, CI 77891,Cl 77492,Cl 77499.

    Noreva Cicadiane Protect Crème Réparatrice Photo-Protectrice SPF 50+ PPD38
    • Tinosorb M
    • Uvinul T 150
    • Titanium Dioxide (Nano - Eusolex T-Easy - dual coated with Silica & Cetyl Phosphate)
    • Tinosorb S
    • Uvinul A Plus
    • Ethylhexyl Salicylate
    ingredients: Aqua, Dibutyl Adipate, Bi-Ethylhexyloxyphenol methoxyphenyl triazine, Diethylamino hydroxybenzoyl hexyl benzoate, Diisopropyl Sebacate, polymethyl methacrylate, ethylhexyl Triazone, Glycerin, Cetearyl Alcohol, Pentaerithrityl Diistearate, Disodium Cetearyl Sulfosucinate, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Chlorphenesin, Potassium sorbate , Disodium Edta, Aminomethyl Propanol, Citric Acid, Hydrolyzed Hyaluronic Acid, Pentylene Glycol, Mangnesium Aspartate, Zinc Gluconate, Sodium Sulfate, Copper Gluconate.

    Ducray Melascreen UV Crème légère SPF50+ UVAPF≥20
    • Tinosorb M
    • Tinosorb S
    • Uvasorb HEB
    • Avobenzone (stabilised by Tinosorb)
    ingredients: water (aqua), c12-15 alkyl benzoate, methylene bis benzotriazolyl tetramethylbutylphenol [nano] cetearyl isononanoate, diisopropyl adipate, isodecyl neopentanoate, bis-ethylhexyloxyphenol methoxyphenyl triazine, diethylhexyl butamido triazone, aluminum starch octenylsuccinate, butyl methoxydibenzoylmethane, potassium cetyl phosphate, decyl glucoside, bis-ethylhexyl hydroxydimethoxy benzylmalonate, c10-18 triglycerides, acrylates / c10-30 alkyl acrylate crosspolymer, benzoic acid, caprylyl glycol, disodium edta, glyceryl behenate, glyceryl dibehenate, propylene glycol, silica, sodium hydroxide, tribehenin, xanthan gum

    Avene Fluide Mineral Teinte SPF 50+ UVAPF ≥20
    • Zinc oxide + Titanium dioxide pure mineral
    ingredientsZinc Oxide [Nano], Thermal Spring Water Avene (Avene Aqua), Titanium Dioxide [Nano], Coco-Caprylate / Caprate Isopropyl Palmitate Isocetyl Stearoyl Stearate, Isodecyl Neopentanoate Isododecane, Isohexadecane, PTFE, Triethylhexanoin, Dicaprylyl Ether, Peg-30 Dipolyhydroxystearate, Iron Oxides (CI77492) (CI77491) (CI77499), Mica, Alumina, Stearic Acid, Caprylyl Glycol, Peg-45 / Dodecyl Glycol Copolymer, Silica, Benzoic Acid, Caprylic / Capric Triglyceride, Disodium Edta, Disteardimonium Hectorite, Glyceryl Behenate, Glyceryl Dibehenate, Helianthus Annuus (Sunflower) Seed Oil (Helianthus Annuus Seed Oil), Pentaerythrityl Tetra-Di-T-Butyl Hydroxyhydrocinnamate, Polyamide-3, Sodium Chloride, Titanium Dioxide (CI77891), Tocopherol, Tocopheryl Glucoside, Tribehenin, Triethoxycaprylylsilane, Water ( Aqua).

    MyChelle Dermaceuticals, Sun Shield Clear Stick SPF 50

    17% Zinc oxide

    ingredients: Beeswax, bisabolol, butyrospermum parkii (shea butter), calophyllum tacamahaca seed oil, cannabis sativa seed oil, euphorbia cerifera (candelilla) wax, jojoba esters, octyldodecyl olivate, oryza sativa (rice) bran oil, oryzanol, persea gratissima (avocado) oil, simmondsia chinensis (jojoba) seed oil, theobroma cacao (cocoa) seed butter, tocopherol

    & of course, I will continue with my HG ourdoor sunscreen : Invisible Zinc

    and closer to my NZ vacation in February I will buy this Japanese sunscreen as I will get wet at Milford Sound & Doubtful Sound.


    Shiseido Anessa Perfect UV Sunscreen Aqua Booster Mild SPF50+ PA++++
    • Zinc oxide
    • Titanium Dioxide
    • Uvinul T 150
    • Uvinul A Plus
    • Tinosorb S
    This is great for water-sports as the sunscreen improves when it comes in contact with water (sea/swim/sweat)! Using a similar technology to Shiseido Wetforce (same company).

    ingredients: Cyclopentasiloxane, zinc oxide, diisopropyl sebacate, methyl methacrylate crosspolymer, water, cetyl ethylhexanoate, pentaerythrityl tetraethylhexanoate, triethylhexanoin, diethylhexyl succinate, titanium dioxide, dimethicone, glycerin, polymethylsilsesquioxane, dextrin palmitate, PEG-9 polydimethylsiloxyethyl dimethicone, ethylhexyl triazone, diethylamino hydroxybenzoyl hexyl benzoate (Uvinal A Plus), disteardimonium hectorite, Trimethylsiloxysilicate, bis-ethylhexyloxyphenol methoxyphenyl triazine (Tinosorb S), PEG / PPG-14/7 dimethyl ether, sodium cholride, dipotassium glycyrrhizate (licorice root), angelica acutiloba root extract (Japanese angelica), thymus serpyllum extract (thyme), rosa roxburghii extract (chestnut rose), sodium hyaluronate (Hyaluronic Acid), PEG-10 Dimethicone, aluminum hydroxide, stearyl phosphate, silica, sodium citrate, sodium metabisulfite, tocopherol (Vitamin E)

    From US, I like Thinkbaby, SPF 50+ Sunscreen 20% non nano Zinc oxide

    ingredients: Purified water (0), aloe barbadensis leaf juice extract (0), capric caprylic triglycerides (0), sorbitan stearate (coconut based) (1), methyl abietate (pine wood resin) (0), vegetable glycerin (0), cetyl dimethicone (0), hydrogenated castor oil (0), magnesium sulfate (epsom salt) (0), sunflower oil (0), jojoba oil (0), ascorbic acid (vitamin C) (0), tocopherols (vitamin E) (1), olive oil (0), raspberry seed oil (0), cranberry seed oil (0), hyaluronic acid (made from vegetable) (0), glucose oxidase & lactoperoxidate (0), papaya (0). (Skin Deep Ratings Subject to Change)

    no doubt my 27% non nano Invisible Zinc will hold up better :)

    A wardrobe of different sunscreen for different days.

    Did anyone find sunscreens with Tinosorbs/Uvinul w/o nasty Oxybenzone, Octinoxate, Homosalate, Octocrylene, Enzacamene, Padimate O? Lower risk also are Avobenzone, Octisalate, Ensulizole, TEA-salicylate, Cinoxate, Dioxybenzone, Amiloxate, Sulisobenzone, Polysilicone-15 which I try to avoid if possible.

    Peter has shared his list of Tinosorb/UVinul sunscreens with invaluable reviews. I've compiled a list of these sunscreens and added a few more I found here if anyone is keen.

    Please update if you come across any good ones. Thank you.
  • I would like to thank Peter for composing this best SPF list. It helped me greatly.

    I have been using this Kao sunscreen (no fragrance) and I thought the filters were good (Uvinul A Plus, Tinosorb S, Uvinul T 150 & Octinoxate) but had no idea that Octinoxate has hormonal activity! I will order the Danish Derma Sollotion SPF and try it out – is it greasy/drying/moisturising btw?

    https://www.ratzillacosme.com/sun/biore-uv-nobinobi-kids-milk-spf50/
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