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Well, I did it.
  • I convinced the librarian at the library where I work to add The Beauty Brain's new book to our system. I just spotted it on the desk yesterday finishing up the processing part. So if you've got an Orange County (California) library card you can check it out.
    After me.
  • If anyone cares I'm on page 153. Sometime I'm going to have to ask again about the BB's stance on supplements because I'm utterly confused. All I know is my endocronologist told me I have to take B-vitamins and that I'm to take 400 IU (what's an IU anyway?) of vitamin E twice a day.
  • IU stands for International Units.

    I do tend to be wary of supplements of the herbal variety. I take a multi-vitamin, calcium twice a day (the body can only absorb so much at one time), B6 200 mg time released (helps with carpal tunnel syndrome) and 2000 IU per day of Vitamin D3. I wear sunblock with high spf 365 days a year and several recent studies have come to the same conclusion...that many are vitamin D deficient.

    If my endocrinologist told me I should be taking a supplement I would be taking it. After all, he/she is the one with the medical diploma....not me. ;-)

    The herbal variety of supplements though....well I am not so sure about those. Not enough regulation so you can be sure what you BELIEVE is in that pill IS what is in that pill you are swallowing. Just my thoughts!
  • Yeah, it always amazes me how you have pill-phobic people who don't trust their doctor and go on about the FDA not regulating, e.g., parabens in cosmetics tightly enough, and yet will take anything--orally--they're told to by a health food store clerk because it's "natural."  No regulation, and you do hear with some regularity about adverse events and unforeseen drug interactions.  I'm also amazed when people take multiple supplements--things like colloidal silver--because their chiropractor told them to (chiropractors, don't get me started, they can be incredible supplement pushers).  But like I said, don't get me started...Colloidal silver, BTW, is the thing that turns you gray.  We have no nutritional need for silver supplementation but chiropractors often recommend it.
  • I thought that silver stuff turned you blue.
    I wrote a big long thing in ATBBs - what I'm taking as far as herbals go are things I read in several different books on PCOS writen by doctors whom specialize in PCOS recommend. Oil of evening primrose, black kohash,  and vitex (also known as chasteberry) - they also said to take saw palmento but the only ones of that I can find are formulated for men and their prostates, so I'm not taking that. Then I had read a book called Food Myths or something like that (Myths About The Foods We Eat, maybe?) and the doctor who wrote it was saying that there's a lower instance of breast cancer in women in Japan who eat a lot of soy products. No solid evidence at the time the book was written but there did seem to be a connection between soy lessening the chances of breast cancer. Plus I read that you shouldn't feed soy to boys going through puberty because it can give them feminine characteristics - since the goal is to get my ovaries to produce more estrogene and less testosterone I added soy to the mix. Dandelion root tea was recommened for diabetics because it's suppose to lower blood sugar (this is from my sister-in-law who's a type 1 diabetic, she learned this in her classes for diabetics taught by Kaiser) - and indeed when I drank a cup a day my blood sugar went from 105 to 85 and my liver functions were normal, when I stopped drinking it my blood sugar went to a little over 90 and my liver functions were slightly out of wack - but I hate the taste. So I found a dandelion & milk thistle extract capsule I thought I'd try. If it doesn't help I'll go back to the tea no matter how much it makes me gag. Finally one of the PCOS books talked repeatedly about how vinager can slow down digestion and make you feel fuller faster and longer so you don't eat as much. So I take apple cider vinager capsules. I also take Korean Pantex Ginsing morning and afternoon because I haven't slept well in months and it does seem to keep me awake.
    On one hand, I feel guilty because I know the BBs talk about how supplements aren't regulated. On the other side, these are things (well, most of them) that were recommended by doctors who help women with PCOS. So I'm conflicted. And while they're not regulated, there's got to be companies out there who pride themselves on honesty and self-regulate.
    I have to say that for awhile the herbals seemed to change my personality the way birth control does - constantly irritated even by my own breathing, always angry - so I added taurine that's suppose to support nerve calmness. I don't know if it's my own brain tricking me into being calmer or the taurine but I'm not ticked off by every little thing.
    All that aside - I did really enjoy the book. Though there was some typos that drove me a bit nuts. An "O" left off the word "of" so it was just "f" hanging out there, "to" when they meant "too." And one case a sentance that made absolutely no sense where it was. I returned the book today otherwise I'd mention the pages. But the book is really good and I highly recommend it.
  • Sorry for my rant--definitely not a reference to your situation.  I'm generally all about following the advice of your doctor (with rare exceptions where the doctor turns out to be a quack--and I do think it's very important to choose doctors carefully).  It's just that too many people seem to think the internet or their health food store clerk is a better source of guidance.  Ironic, here I am on the internet spouting advice...Yeah, I can't remember how the soy story turned out--I seem to remember that it keeps changing as far as whether it's good or bad, but I eat it because I like tofu and soy in general.  And I take Vitamin D, as lindygirl says, because I don't get enough sunlight (and my doctor recommends this). My understanding is that it's very hard to OD on vitamin D and easy not to get enough in northern lattitudes.  IMHO, even though herbals aren't regulated by the FDA as though they were drugs (unless they make drug-like claims on the product label), they should be treated as though they are.  As long as you take that attitude (that if the are intended to alter your physiology in some way, they are drugs, not foods), you'll use appropriate care selecting products and being watchful for any side effects.  Again, though, sorry for the tangent and rant!  Congrats on getting the book in, and being in it:)
  • Oh, and just to contradict myself, if you do get an herbal product or vitamin supplement, the brand I trust for some undefined reason is Solgar.  For what it's worth.  Very scientific of me, trusting a brand for an undefined reason.  Someone I trust liked Solgar, and (okay, this is kind of lame) I just think their packaging is tidy, and tablets and capsules look high quality...You don't know me, and I'm asking you to trust the person I trust (who you also don't know) who recommended a brand whose packaging I like.  There you have it.  FWIW.  And here's a little advertising:)  http://www.solgar.com/SolgarProducts/FP-Dandelion-Root-Vegetable-Capsules.htm
  • I'm not in the book - just managed to convince the librarian where I work to buy it! He's a guy and would never think of getting things like this. Because he only likes scientific non-fiction, guitar music, and skateboarding he tends to only buy that stuff. I remind him that we're across the street from two churches so we have to have religious stuff no matter what his feelings are. When several patrons yelled at me because they felt we didn't get enough new fiction I begged him to up the fiction purchases, especially romance novels as most of our homebound patrons like them. I'm trying to get him to get Beyond Heaving Bosums by the ladies of SBTB next.
    And I don't mind the rant. I completely understand it. I don't trust what health food people tell me. I have way too many food and other types of allergies to believe some stranger with no medical degree.  But it seems to me if more then one doctor who specializes in a certain area recommends certain herbal supplements then there must be something to them.
    Doesn't stop me from feeling torn on the subject too.
    I buy my supplements from Mother's, Trader Joe's, or Henry's - sometimes in a pinch WalMart or CostCo. Don't know if that makes any difference. I've never seen the silver stuff sold in any of those places though. Plus a lot of times it's from big companies like Nature Made. I got the Estroven from CostCo recently because it has both the black kohash and soy in it. I'm taking half the recommended dosage since I'm not menopausal. I've actually done this once before. Several years ago I wasn't having regular periods. I'd go three or more months without a cycle. So I started taking half doses of Estroven and after a month I started to have a period once a month again. Now I know it was probably the PCOS that caused that - but my doctor kept telling me "Oh, it's just because you're so fat. Lose weight and you'll have regular cycles again."
    Kind of ticks me off thinking of that. I had ALL the symptoms - high blood sugar, facial hair, excess body hair, acne, plus very irregular periods, bright purple stretch marks, and the classic PCOS belly - and he never once thought to test me for it. Maybe if I had known about it when I was 23 and going through all this I'd have a better handle on it at 34.
    Edit: I forgot to mention, my mom has been studying anything she can get her hands on about bioidentical hormones. I know there's controversy but I asked my GYN because I wondered if anyone studied if they had any effect on PCOS as well as menopause and she said, "Estrogene is estrogene no matter if you get it from plants or animals" (refering to Premarine which is what my mom takes). So since wild yams are part of BIH I thought I'd try that too. I'm just so desperate, you know.
    And I'll say again, I don't take silver supplements. LOL But I do occastionally use a 1% silver sulfadize(sp?) cream my dermotologist prescribed me. She had me use it when she removed some suspicious moles and I still use it when I have a really bad cut or scrape or a zit that just won't respond to acne treatments. (After, admittedly, I pop it. Because you know I am a Pimple Popper. I think a twisted part of me enjoys it. Besides, when they hurt really bad or are in places where they interfer with my vision or my sleep I have to do something.) Since it's a cream, prescribed by a doctor, and I only use it rarely, I'm sure it can't be bad.
  • Other than your doctor, carefully chosen as Sarah had mentioned because not ALL doctors are good ones, another reliable source of information is a pharmacist. They can look at a list of what you are taking and warn you of possible harmful interactions. That is especially important if you are taking any prescription medications.

    But I don't take seriously the advice from people who work in health food stores any more than I take seriously the advice given to me from those working the cosmetics counters in department stores. In many cases I find I already know a LOT more than those folks do so any advice they give to me is taken graciously, but with a grain of salt.
  • Yeah, like I said, I don't listen to health food store people either. Most I ever ask is where something is.
  • Jami,  when I said you were in the book, I got that from what you said about being "on page 153."  Not sure what you meant.  As far as supplements go, again, the rant doesn't refer to you--I knew you hadn't said that you go to healthfood stores for advice or take silver, but if anyone raises certain topics, I spit out a predetermined rant-monologue.  And topical silver is fine.  At any rate, the hormonal stuff can be pretty frustrating.  I don't have PCOS that  I know of, but some age related changes.  As skeptical as I am about herbals, I don't trust myself not to turn to anything if I get a green light from my doc at the right time in my hormonal aging process (so far, regular cycles but severe mood changes premenstrually).  Yeah, I'm sorry you didn't get diagnosed earlier.  I'm not a doctor but purple stretch marks, acne, excess hair etc, would raise alarm bells for me, if nothing else because in my lay understanding, they can also be signs of cushing's disease (which I know was ruled out by your endo).     
  • ohhhh.  Duh.  I just got it.  You meant you were up to page 153 in terms of your progress reading the book, not the you were "on page 153," as in, "they wrote about me on page 153."  Took me a while...
  • Yeah, and now I've finished the book.
    I'd like to think that since these were recommended by doctors who specialize in PCOS, who've been through college and medical school and whom also prescribe traditional western medicines as well, that there must be something to them. At the same time I feel guilty because I know the BBs have spoken up against them.
  • If your doctors have told you to take these supplements and are aware of everything you take, prescriptions as well as supplements, then I would think you will be fine. Also it may not hurt to ask a pharmacist to take a look at the list of things you are taking and ask if he/she sees any possible harmful interactions.

    Interesting what you said about the typos in the book a few posts back. That sort of thing drives me nuts too! :-)