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What is your go-to anti-aging/wrinkle product? I do some work with StriVectin and I love to hear feedback from anyone who has tried it or are thinking about trying it to help reduce the appearance of lines on your face. I've been trying the new StriVectin-SD for about 5 weeks now and my face feels softer and looks healthier. They say it takes about 8 weeks to see full results, so I'll let you know how it goes!
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Please read this carefully:
http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/05/04/is-strivectin-better-than-botox/
''Strivectin seems sketchy because they keep referring to their Clinical Research, yet they don`t provide a single reference to a single study''.
Here no scientific study to support their claims:
''There is not a single independent, peer-reviewed study to prove that StriVectin is an effective option for repairing stretch marks. The studies that do exist about StriVectin's benefits for stretch marks were paid for by Klein-Becker, the company that distributes StriVectin''.
A fact: Scientists never draw firm conclusions from just one paper or set of results. They consider the contribution it makes in the context of other work and their
own experience. It usually takes more than one research paper for results to be seen as good evidence or accepted as a public truth.
''StriVectin is merely a moisturizer with some good emollients and antioxidants, though the addition of peppermint oil is extremely suspect—the tingle is probably meant to lead women to believe that the product is doing something to their skin. It is doing something: causing irritation without a benefit''.
We should consider a psychological factor (why do people still believe in wrinkle creams even they don't work): if you spend so much money for this cream, you probably will ''see results'', whether it works or not.
Paula Begoun writes: ''StriVectin-SD won't alter the wrinkling on any part of your face, not in the long term, and not in the short term. A recent study supports this conclusion: researchers recruited 77 women and they were divided into five groups. One group received Botox injections, one used a placebo product, and the other groups applied either StriVectin-SD, Hydroderm, or DDF Wrinkle Relax. Only the group that received Botox injections reported satisfaction with the results; wrinkle depth measurement parameters established for this study proved Botox produced the best results. And StriVectin-SD? It was deemed NOT better than Botox. Actually, three test subjects using StriVectin-SD had to drop out due to "adverse reactions," likely from the peppermint oil in the product (Source: Dermatologic Surgery, February 2006, pages 184-197)''.
http://www.cosmeticscop.com/bulletin/040507-full.htm
Beware any cream which claims to be better ''than botox'', collagen or Restylane injections or promises facelift, to get rid stretch marks or cellulite. None of them are likely to work!
In my opinion strivectin is just a plain scam. And it is supported by recent research. Please save your money.
What is proven to work? prescription tretinoin (like Retin A) is a gold standart for anti-aging (I use it and can add : it really works!).
You can also try over-the-counter retinol creams, but the result won't be the same (modest improvement is possible). Well, for motion wrinkles here is only one solution- Botox.
5 Things You Need to Know About Retin-A.
http://thebeautybrains.com/2007/03/13/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-retin-a/ -
From the team at StriVectin:
It's important to understand that the StiVectin brand is under new ownership and has recently undergone a complete reformulation and independent clinical validation for the new formulas under a rigorous testing protocol. The NEW formula StriVectin-SD Intensive Concentrate for Stretch Marks & Wrinkles features technology discovered through 30 years of DNA skin cancer research, partially funded by the NIH and developed by StriVectin's new Chief Scientists, Drs. Elaine and Myron Jacobson for the Arizona Cancer Center to the University of Arizona.
This new StriVectin formula underwent independent testing over a 12-week period and examined the effects of the final formula on both stretch marks and wrinkles in 120 subjects. In addition to expert grading of results by physicians, the testing protocol also examined the effect of for formula on skin reconstructs in vitro, subject self-assessment (how the women felt about their own results), and - notably - examination of actual skin biopsies of study participants to analyze what was really happening in the skin of real women over time. Results were studied at 2-week, 4-week, 8-week and 12-week intervals to enable the study team to map progress.
From this intensive clinical protocol emerged a timeline of results so impressive for the new formula that the company decided to print it right on the front of the new packaging to let buyers know what to expect, and when, with twice-daily use of the NEW StriVectin-SD product. In our experience, this level of testing and transparency is rare in the cosmetics industry, Also, importantly, our chief scientists are working toward publication of this new data in peer reviewed journals, a process that takes some time. In the meantime, extensive details of the study are featured on the StriVectin website for anyone to review.
The skin care industry inspires strong opinions and spirited debate, and that's just one of the things we love about it. While we're very aware this data will not change everyone's mind, we do invite anyone who is interested to learn more about the new StriVectin formulas, our claims, and our new clinical validation on the StriVectin website: www.strivectin.com.
Lastly, the "Better than Botox" slogan was developed years ago by the original marketers of this product, and is no longer in active use. To see images from the current campaign, see the StriVectin website. -
Dear Beautie15,
Thanks for your response. However your thoughts are highly biased. You ask opinion about Strivectin but write back to confirm your beliefs about it. Incredible! Why to ask in first place? You can get confirmation in any other forums, where subjective and self reported results are more important than scientific proof.
''Also, importantly, our chief scientists are working toward publication of this new data in peer reviewed journals, a process that takes some time. In the meantime, extensive details of the study are featured on the StriVectin website for anyone to review.''.
The study was supported by Strivectin. I would like to see independent study. Also you can't draw conclusions from one study only.
''There is not a single independent, peer-reviewed study to prove that StriVectin is an effective option for repairing stretch marks. The studies that do exist about StriVectin's benefits for stretch marks were paid for by Klein-Becker, the company that distributes StriVectin''.
If you take a drug tretinoin (proven to work for wrinkles, acne and stretch marks too), it wouldn't be hard to find a peer reviewed study to confirm its efficiently. If Strivectin works, so it has to be a drug, not cosmetics. I see here was a warning letter from FDA... I wonder, when finally the misleading claims will be regulated?
http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/2005/ucm075254.htm
Sure, how Strivectin can claim to be better than botox when study proves otherwise
http://www.palmbeachcosmetic.com/articles/82251599ASDSPoster.pdf
Lastly, who should we believe? Cosmetic companies or The Beauty brains? People, please use critical thinking!
Sorry, I don't buy it. You can't trust anyone who tries to sell you something!
The Beauty Brains what do you think about it? -
Did you know that incorporating guavas in your daily diet will increase your body's collagen production? Collagen of course fends off the signs of aging. Guavas are an interesting fruit. They contain 4 times more vitamin c than oranges. Bon apetito. :)
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HAIRpro.
Am sure you found this''truth'' not from a scientific page :-) My advice: do not believe everything you read on net. Seriously-here are a lot of BS around there...
Also you don't need to eat guavas in order to get vitamin C- many fruits and vegetables contain it! Also here is no reason to get mega doses of vitamin C.
Lastly, the topic was about Strivectin, not about nutrition, but anyway :-)
Guavas? At the moment here,in Turkey, tangerines and pomegranates are in season :-) Bon apetito :-) -
Well it is fact that vitamin C increases collagen production. It is also fact that guavas contain a substantially higher amount of vitamin C. Just trying to contribute a natural alternative to anti-aging, Pukute. The title of this discussion is "wrinkles" and the initial question is "what are your go-to anti-aging" solutions.
Here's an article on the subject: http://www.drozfans.com/tag/guava/ -
Don't know about guava, but Dr. Oz has a lot of bull on his site, so watch out.
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Spam team :-)
Hairpro,
I am a little bit busy, but I have something to add to this topic (although unrelated to Strivectin). Get more vitamin C and in result- less wrinkles? Not really.
Vitamin C deficiency is called scurvy. Due to loss of collagen function, it manifests itself with lack of wound healing, open infected wounds, skin spots, bleeding gums, fallen teeth, paralysis and eventually death.
The total body pool of vitamin C is approximately 1500 mg. Scurvy occurs after vitamin C has been eliminated from the diet for at least 3 months and when the body pool falls below 350 mg. As little as 6-10 mg of vitamin C a day is sufficient to maintain body stores of more than 350 mg.
Scurvy: http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1104284-overview
What is not absorbed and used by the body will be flushed out in the urine (more than 250 mg), so taking more than the recommended daily dosage is pointless.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/e8187710036wm752/
One more nice article : http://infernalmedicine.wordpress.com/2010/06/02/vitamin-c-miracle-or-hoax/
You don't need mega dose vitamin C in order to produce more collagen. A body does not work that way. An amount of vitamin C you ingest is distributed throughout the body, not only skin.
Sun exposure and tobacco (along with facial expressions) use are the only recognized factors known to cause wrinkles. Vitamin deficiency does not cause wrinkles.
Dr. Oz -isn't he Oprah's friend? :-) Definitely, he has a lot of BS, you are right Sarahf :-) -
Yeah, I edited out my spam team post because I hadn't read the posts carefully enough, they aren't clearly marketing posts. Sometimes we've had those--people who join simply to push a particular product--I don't think that's the case here, though.
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Ok so Dr. Oz isn't a sterling source because of his show. Indeed the body does dispose of excess vitamin C. Some people, however don't get sufficient amounts in their diets. So why not suggest incorporating guava? It's healthy and is considered a superfruit.
And no, I'm not a spammer. Just interested in converting my products to all natural alternatives.
Here's another source on guavas, if you're interested in knowing more about the fruit. It's from eHow.com and no, I'm not affiliated with them. Just sharing information. http://www.ehow.com/how_5401027_tropical-minimize-fine-lines-wrinkles.html -
Yes, sorry about that--I have a hair trigger b/c we do get the marketing posts with some regularity.
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No problem, Sarahf. Me too occasionally see the marketing posts here, and it is, no doubts, pure spamming. But it happens in every forum...
Hairpro, we don't think you are spammer.
I don't try to tell Dr. Oz is a bad doctor. However he may spread some beliefs which may not be based on any scientific evidence. We should not believe all we see on TV, because it's primary function is to entertain, not bring a knowledge.
Guavas have a lot of vitamin C, but it also depends on variety. Red peppers have even more vitamin C (one medium sized 226 mg). Many citrus fruits and fresh vegetables contain high amount of vitamin C (sure, not all: for example one apple will provide with just 7 mg of vitamin C, it means other fruits should be eaten as well). If you eat a few servings of each you get more vitamin C than you need. Guava is a tropical fruit and it is not widely available in some countries. Local seasonal produce is the best choice for value (fresh and cheap).
By the way RDA is about 75 mg for adults and a bit more needed for pregnant women and smokers.
http://www.ehow.com/how_5401027_tropical-minimize-fine-lines-wrinkles.html
ehow website contains a lot of misinformation. This article was not written by nutritionist; It obviously belongs to one company which sells Guava Pulp. At the end of article ''Resources'' are listed and you will see a link ''Organic Guava Pulp''. This is a good sign that you shouldn't take this information seriously.
Here is no such a thing like ''superfruit'' or ''superfood''. But if you love guavas, you can eat them. Fruits are good for you. But the body needs not only vitamin C, so other nutrients are equally important for health and well-being.
You need vitamin C to prevent scurvy and stay healthy, but more not necessarily means you will have less wrinkles. I would advice to look at causes of wrinkles- deficiency of vitamin C isn't one from them. At least it is not supported by recent scientific evidence. -
Questioning Dr. Oz:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-04-09/entertainment/ct-met-dr-oz-20100408_1_dr-mehmet-oz-rotavirus-unproven-autism-treatments
http://www.skepdic.com/skeptimedia/skeptimedia5.html -
I'm 52, and I have to say, after using it about 7 years, I quit Tretinoin when I noticed my skin looking really thin and unhealthy in photos - that stuff thins your skin in the long run!
Now I only use it occasionally, when I want to work on a specific problem like a discolored patch of skin... and then I'll only use it for 7 days max. I prefer to use gentler exfoliators now, such as once-a-month masks (pumpkin enzyme, etc.)
After that, it's back to ingredients that help heal the skin, such as allantoin, C, L-arginine, and CoQ10. (I make my own creams and such.) And always use sunscreen - you don't want to undo all the good you've done with good skin creams!
My skin looks great for my age, and it's not genetic - I had skin problems in high school. Peopel are often shocked when I tell them my age - they think I'm mid-30's. ;)
Smart skin care works!
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That's interesting that your skin became thinner. One thing that is consistent to every tretinoin study I've read is that skin thickens with use, but the longest term study I've been able to find is for 4 years of consistent use. Do you think that initially, your skin thickened, and then your skin became adapted to the dosage while at the same time your natural aging process was working against it, thinning your skin? (kind of like hitting an "exercise plateau")
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My Granny is 63 and she looks as if she is in her mid 40's. She is using Lifecell. Her Wrinkles are fading and there is a firmness and softness in her skin, since she started using it. Its made up of all natural ingredients and has no Side effects at all.
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I used StriVectin-SD cream for my eye wrinkles for about a month and saw
absolutely no difference. Fancy packaging, false delivery claim "Better
than Botox," and a high price scams consumers into thinking this
product works. Don't waste your money. This cream is so greasy it
actually made my face break out. It's amazing what marketing can do to
sell a product that doesn't work.
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