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Young Girls and Make Up
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Yesterday I hit up MAC with my sister for some fun dramatic make overs, and we saw these 2 very young girls come in to buy stuff. When I say young, I don't mean 16 or 17, I mean around 10 or 11. They were both wearing eye make up! As in eye shadows and what not.
And in all honesty, it did not look good. It just made them look peculiar and very not-age-appropriate. I don't remember wearing make up around that age, except lip gloss. Also, nobody I knew bought anything from MAC! If we did buy any make up, it was the cheapy stuff from Wet N Wild and Bonnebelle.
For those who have kids around that age, do you allow them to wear make up on a daily basis? Or what age is it appropriate for girls to start wearing make up? -
Well, I don't have kids, but I was not allowed to wear make-up on a daily basis until I was pushing 14. I was never really into those bright 80's colors anyway. The family I work for now has a 14 yr old girl who just started High School this year...she is so pretty and uber skinny. She came home one day in tears because all of her friends were wearing make-up and she thought they looked so pretty and felt very ugly. I need to bring in a pciture of myself from 14 and see what she has to say..I was awful looking! Anyway her parents had a discussion and decided it was a good time for her to learn about make-up. She wears Loreal mineral powder, mascara and lip gloss. I gave them the suggestion to let her try Neutrogena's lash tint. It's a great way to wear mascara without all the clumping and looking older than she needs to look. She doesn't wear it every day. I think at 14 she values sleep much more than make-up...she has to get up at 5am if she wants to do all that.
My children, if I ever have them will probably not wear make-up until they are well into their teens and I will have them taught the right way to apply and MODERATION :) -
I have two boys and, to be honest, I'm really grateful I don't have to deal with issues like this. My 14 year old goes to Catholic school so the girls are aren't allowed to wear makeup. I've seen them out of school and some of them do wear makeup but not much, gloss, mascara maybe some poorly applied eye shadow, which is inevitably blue. On the other hand, we have friends who I consider to be overly idulgent parents and their 14 year old daughter wears fairly heavy eye makeup. It looks awful. Even she wasn't wearing makeup when she was 10 or 11.
I remember getting my first tube of mascara. I was in 8th grade and was wildly allergic to it. I think I started playing around with eyeshadow when I was in high school but didn't wear it regularly, mostly because my parents wouldn't let me.
I was looking at pictures of an 18ish actress ( I have no idea who she was) all done up for a red carpet event. The dress, hair and makeup were all beautifully done but I still thought she looked rediculous; like a little kid playing dress up so it's not just a matter of knowing how to apply it correctly. There are some looks you just have to grow into.
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Well,the sad thing is that it's not only make-up. They try to copy Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton and such, which is not a good example
Last time I was in London, having lunch in a pretty fancy restaurant. I saw this 4 girls come up, and sit down to order, by themselves. Wearing make-up, miniskirts and Lous Vuitton bags (or fakes I can't tell) they order some small stuff and I overheard them discussing calories (yes calories of the itty-bitty appetizer they ordered!!). they were 10 at most!!! where were their parents??? totally ridiculous. I was with a couple of professors from Princeton, and one said "If one of those were my daughter, I'll bet the cr@### out of her!!!"
I was very into beauty products since I can remember, mostly face wash and moisturizer, and wore lipgloss and maybe some eyeshadow. But some girls look like mini Carrie Bradshaws, I am pretty sure it doesn't stop there either, it is soooo not right
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oh gawd, that episode of Sex and the City.. it's SOO true and SOO disturbing!!
I think personally I started wearing make up on a daily basis around 15? Even then it was only when I had time, which wasn't daily. It was mainly eyeliner, maybe foundation, and lip gloss. When I wore eyeshadow, it was always the light colors like pink. I don't think I ventured into dark colors til college. I actually had no idea what to do with the black that came along with my Hard Candy palette that I bought when I was 18, so I used it to draw a black circle around my eye to take a Panda Picture. Yea... ahhahahaa..
Even through college I'd wear make up on and off, and always stayed with light sheer colors.
I did dance and perform as a kid, so I always knew how to put make up on. It was something we all had to learn early on. But we look soo weird! -
Oh gosh taiwanesegurl reading your post made me think of pagent girls...big hair and make-up that makes them look 25. It just makes me sad.
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omg NO!! I was NEVER in pageants!!
I did ballet when I was young, from 7-12, and afterwards I joined my high school's colorguard. So for ballet, we'd have 2 performances a year (the annual Nutcracker and a spring/summer performance of another classic ballet), and we'd have to learn how to apply liquid eyeliner, blush, etc.
And yes... hair spray was used in HIGH amounts, but it wasn't to make our hair big or anything. It was mainly used to keep down flyaways and also on our shoe ribbons. No nail polish aside from clear nail polish to stop runs in our tights. That sort of stuff. So please please please never imagine me in a pageant, please!!! -
It seems so sad that young girls are looking up to people like Lindsay and Paris. Are there any good women role models out there? Hillary maybe? I do like Natlie Portman (some kind of brainiac) and Danika McKellar (math whiz).
Unfortunately, actresses, models, singers, athletes and politicians seem to be the only role models people can choose from these days. Of course, there are parents and teachers too, but they don't seem to have nearly the same influence. -
Whats even more sad is that Vanessa Hudgens who is suppose to be a wholesome Disney girl has done her nude photos....I know a lot of parents that were VERY upset about that. Or even now Jamie Lynn Spears...she was supposed to be the good one...what does this teach youg girls. It's very sad to me
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NY Times on young girls and beauty practices:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/fashion/28Skin.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=fashion&oref=slogin
It's actually the virgin cosmos in martini glasses that freaks me out the most. I am a big proponent of not forbidding certain things to children growing up, in the hopes that they learn to respect those things. When I was young, I could have wine here and there if I chose. There is actually a really funny story of me trying to order a glass of wine at a restaurant when I was 2, but we'll skip over that. Of course, my family made wine, which is why it was so prevalent in my childhood, but I've grown up to have what I think of as a healthy use of alcohol. Now, while I condone that type of alcohol use (small amounts in the home), drinking virgin cosmos in actual martini glasses is waaaaaaaay over the line. -
It was tough enough being a teenager when I was in high school. I can't imagine what it's like now. Anyone remember all the fuss about Brook Shields and her Calvin Klein adds? It seems so tame now.
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omigod thank you SOO much for the article pas!!
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I agree Left Brain
where are the positive role models?
In any case, the tabloid culture is so weird, as pas said I also grew up with things allowed to me, like wine, or whatever I wanted to wear, but somehow I never ended wanting to look like a 30 year old. And I do not see that, that much back at home (tiny outfits and bikinis are not slutty, they are part of everyday life, so that doesn't work), is it a lot worst in the US? or is it just me? Do french or Italian girls do the same thing nowadays?
Oh good, I am starting to sound like my grandmother, remember how girls in "my days" didn't do this or that -
I have an 11 year old daughter. It's crazy what is out there now. I allow her some lip gloss and some simple eye shadow and even that is pushing it. I wasn't even interested in make-up as a kid and teenager. It felt goopy and gross.
I push modesty but look for fun clothes and layer the shirts. It's nice to feel a little grown up but no 11 year old should look like she's 25.
This dates me but I remember the episode of the "Cosby Show" when Vanessa was caught wearing make-up. I think she forgot to take it off after school. She got in big trouble for that. I on't know I suddenly thought of that episode..just the topic. -
I have a 11 year old little sister. She is allowed to wear a light coat of foundation (mine which is super light anyway) and when she has friends over she can experiment with my eyeshadows, blush, and mascara but she never goes in public. One of her friends put on black eyeliner one weekend and I about croaked I made her take it off right then I couldn't even stand to look at it. My mother allows her too much in my opinion just this past weekend she got acryllic nails just to tear them off 2 days later. I did pageants for a year or so and it is awful how much makeup and hairspray they put on you. I would have to wash my hair 3 times to get it all out and the makeup looked ridiculous on me and I was 19 when I started! I think Reese Witherspoon is a good role model but she is older than the young girls who need them.
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I just found out that Hayden Panettiere is 19 years old and is dating or engaged to a 31 year old. Holy crap, that is so wrong.
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^but it's Peter Petrelli aka Jesse (from Gilmore Girls)!!!
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that's funny tg.....he plays her uncle in the show though and that has to be REALLY disturbing
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This is why I'm really glad I don't have or want kids. This whole topic is depressing ...
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Not all young girls are wanting to wear makeup. My daughter is 12 and a half, and she has never wanted to wear makeup. Neither do her friends, who are 12 and 13. These girls are high-achieving academically, and their families stress qualities other than appearance. Also, their personalities are independent, they do not value fitting in and being popular. And, for now at least, they are not boy-crazy.
To answer TG's quesion, I would let a 10 or 11 year old try on makeup at home, sort of playing dress-up, but I wouldn't let one wear it out of the house. I think that it would be teaching them to focus on their appearance too much at that age. They need to be getting their self-esteem from their accomplishments and achievements, not their appearance. When would I allow a girl to start wearing makeup every day? Maybe at 13 or 14, it would depend on the girl's reasons and her feelings about herself. The context is important. -
I am 16 years old and have been experimenting with makeup since I was 12.
When I was 12 years old, puberty hit and I was very insecure about my acne. Since I was not able to afford the miracle serums and cleansers sold at department stores, I decided to invest in a good foundation and concealor for my acne scars. After competing in competitive speech and debate, moot court, and youth court, I eventually realized that my appearance was as fundamental to my success as my knowledge. Not only did the makeup contribute towards my confidence, it allowed me to take on another persona (I am known as the BallBuster). Red lipstick soon became a staple.
Not many young girls understand that makeup is used to enhance features and boost confidence. Many pre-pubescent/teenage girls in my school use excessive makeup because they are incredibly insecure. Their only source of confidence is through their appearance. However, I am not sympathetic. Most teenagers are ignorant and self-absorbed. The increasing I-centered technology does not help. Therefore it is no surprise that children are desperately trying to appear older. Unfortunately, they often lack the emotional maturity to go along with their appearance.
However, 11 year old girls should be allowed to experiment with makeup. I find it ludicrous that parents view makeup on children as a plague. Criticizing the media and demonizing cosmetic companies wont help your child. Parents should take responsibility and become proactive (dont shoot me!!). Knowledge is power. Mandate that your child research diligently before purchasing a product. Most pre-pubescent/teenage girls I know do not like appearing like a clown. Through educating them about application techniques and cosmetic advancements (through personal experience or via the internet), parents will be doing their children a larger favor. Rather than ordering only fashion magazines, subscribe to the Economist or Discover.
There are positive role models everywhere, but many are not gifted with the beauty gene. Since we are genetically predisposed to prefer beautiful people, these accomplished individuals are not publicized. Fotunately, thanks to cosmetic chemists like the Beauty Brains, beauty standards are more achievable. I admire qualities like beauty but I respect achievement. Teenage girls may admire Paris svelte figure and privileged lifestyle, but they do not respect her. I still believe my generation understands the difference.r
And, yes, I am a Hillary fan. She totally would rip out Bills heart and eat it to be the presidential nominee. And she can rock pantsuits like no other. -
I started experimenting with makeup when I was 13, and I am now 15. I wear makeup everyday, but I don't pile it on like the stereotypical makeup-exposed teenage girls that most of you seem to be thinking of. Each morning I put on eyeliner, mascara, eyeshadow, blush, concealer, and some form of lip product, and yet maintain a 3.9 GPA, in addition to volunteering in the pediatric oncology ward of my local hospital. Imagine, a girl who wears makeup and ISN'T a pageant bimbo! Every single girl at my high school wears at least eyeliner and mascara, and it does not reflect their intelligence or awareness in the least. In fact, one of my friends, also 15 years old, is one of the least ignorant people I know! I feel that most of you are making awful generalizations here, and assume that wearing makeup directly corresponds with how "good" of a person someone is. Furthermore, none of us look "ridiculous".
Personally, when I wear makeup, I feel better about myself. Cosmetics don't make me a better person, but it does help me express my better qualities more easily. Even my own mother, an environmental lobbyist, says she feels like she can give a better speech when she knows that her hair isn't in disarray, or that her capillaries aren't showing.
I disagree with the self-righteous opinions that are expressed above. Yes, maybe you don't care about what others think of you, but that does not mean that your child is as "superior" as you. By forbidding them to use cosmetics, you are just as over-bearing and controlling as the pageant mothers you seem to despise.
However, I do know that sometimes girls can go overboard with makeup, at which times I feel it would be best if they were given a few lessons, rather than never even given a chance to try it.
Oh, and one of my role models is my grandmother. She takes care of herself, through playing tennis and getting her hair colored. She also tutors foreign and special needs children. And in contrast with your ideas, I detest, not idealize, Paris Hilton.
Overall, I echo LoonyLollipop's sentiments, with the addition that PurpleRules, you should probably learn how to spell ridiculous before you start calling people it.
Sorry if this post comes off as harsh or offensive, but I find it cruel when all teenage girls are generalized as overly made-up clowns, or no-makeup "sensible" girls. -
If "eyeliner, mascara, eyeshadow, blush, concealer, and some form of lip product" isn't piling it on then I don't know what is. False eyelashes? Full coverage foundation? What aren't you using?
I wouldn't make a habit of pointing out other people's spelling mistakes since your own grammar is far from perfect. You might also want to tone down the righteous indignation and lose the smug, know-it-all attitude. State your opinions without insulting other forum members if you want to be treated with respect and taken seriously. I realize that's difficult when you're 15 and have all the answers but try. -
My point is, I use all that, but in moderation, not overboard. It is possible, despite what you may believe.
Thank you for pointing out my grammar, though. I'll try to work on that in my Honors English class. I'm just glad I have a chance to fix it, as I'm still in school.
I'm truly sorry if you thought my tone was self-righteous and smug. I didn't mean to come off as a know-it-all. However, I am included in the age group that you seem to be slamming on this board, so I feel that I have a different, equally important perspective.
Again, as I said in my last paragraph of the post above, I apologize if I sounded offensive. As you said yourself, other forum members should be treated with respect. Nonetheless, you slander all teenage girls that wear makeup, and I felt insulted to be included in the generalizations that were made here.
You might want to tone down the righteousness also, or risk calling the kettle black. -
Gloss, no one is attacking you personally, believe it or not. And please don't get smug about your education; many of us could bury you in advanced degrees, hon.
The issue is not that Makeup Is Evil -- no one here believes that. It's a freaking cosmetic board. The issue is that makeup and appearance in general for women and girls is complicated. You can try to overturn all that by pretending it doesn't exist; it will not work. At some point, you will bump up against the world's opinions, and most of what we are expressing here is regret that many very young girls haven't found that out yet and are destined for some problems when they -- when YOU -- do.
And it just makes no sense to pretend that celebrities and fashion magazines have no effect on you -- you didn't invent mascara and lip gloss yourself and decide spontaneously to wear it. None of us did. We are surrounded by a culture that freights appearance and cosmetics with a lot of external baggage. No, it's not evil. Yes, it IS complicated. No amount of sass and confidence wil erase that fact. We see little girls still in the stage of thinking that it's simple, good fun, and we know it's more complex, and we know it's going t be a pain in the backside when they find that out. Believe it or not, we were all your age at one point, too -- I didn't emerge from my mother's womb 42 years old. -
Neither I nor anyone else who's posted in this thread "slandered" all teenage girls that wear makeup. (No one "slandered" anyone, by the way. ) I stated very specifically that the girls my son went to school with wore what I consider to be a reasonable amount of makeup for 14 year olds. Many of us feel that some of your peers wear too much makeup. No one thinks all of them do and no one thinks that you shouldn't wear any at all.
I'm grateful now that my mother didn't let me wear as much makeup as I wanted in high school. "Hot tranny mess" isn't a good look for most 14 year olds but it's what I would've worn, given the choice. -
"Hot tranny mess"
HAHAHAHA! Oh, PurpleRules. I've seen it. I want to attack them with baby wipes and show them how to use the makeup so they look nice. Poor girls.
Maybe I'm in a minority, but I started wearing makeup semi-regularly around 13. I say minority because I did a lot of research on how-to's before I actually started wearing it. If I have a daughter I'll get her a how-to book or something when she asks about wearing makeup. I didn't wear mascara for a long time after looking it up and trying it out...eyelash curlers still scare me. When it comes down to it, it all depends on the person. Some girls are very mature at that age....some not so much. Regardless I see nothing wrong with a little lipgloss or face powder/tinted moisturizer or eyeliner. As long as they know how to apply it well, of course.
This whole topic reminds me of a conversation I had with SO when we saw a group of 11-12 year old girls raiding the bins at a Victoria's Secret sale. Yes, they wore makeup. All I could think was "Oh my god. What? No. What?" and be grateful I don't have to deal with that yet. I think I could deal with much makeup better than my 12 year old wanting thongs/lacy anything. >. -
ahah, I actually owe everything to Bobbi Brown's how-to book...
and PurpleRules, I really am sorry. It wasn't polite for me to point out that error, and I hope you accept my apology. -
Sadly, when I was your age there was no Bobbi Brown how-to book. It was just me, my "blueberry" mascara, some purple (and I do mean purple) eyeshadow and the ugliest fuschia lipstick you can imagine. Good times.
And in the interests of bringing a little levity to this thread, he's an example of what I think we'll all agree is a really overdone 16 year old. www.closeronline.co.uk/RealLife/Reallifestories/teen-wedding.aspx
To be honest, you can't really see her makeup in the pictures but I'll wager "hot tranny mess" is an accurate description.
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I can't get the link to work so you'll have to cut and paste it into you browser but trust me, it's worth it.
http://www.closeronline.co.uk/RealLife/Reallifestories/teen-wedding.aspx?dateonline=Monday+27+October+2008
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I believe that the amount of products is irrelevant. The application of those products is more important. Piling on any makeup product is not attractive, especially excessive eye shadow. There are numerous factors that could affect how you appear, including the color, pigmentation, and texture of the product. Im sure that Glossgirl692 chooses and applies her makeup wisely.
I understand that we are inundated with these images of young girls wearing excessive makeup. These girls need advice rather than insults (not that I am accusing anyone here of slander). The adults energy would be better spent on educating his/her child rather than criticizing her. If she remains stubborn, she should suffer the consequences. The most effective lessons are learned hard way. Personal responsibility seems inexistent today.
I understand that parents are more concerned with their child being viewed as a sex object or Barbie doll. Unfortunately, many girls do want to attract attention from the opposite sex. It is a natural urge that is difficult to suppress. Although I am sexually attracted to the opposite sex, I am not oozing promiscuity in public. Because I have responsibilities, goals, and self worth, attracting a guys attention is not my sole focus.
I love lacey things and Victorias Secret. The designs and quality is fairly good and the semi-annual sales are terrific. I also do not wear extremely low rise pants and show my underwear to the public. It just makes my bum look spectacular.
Glossgirl692: Very cool to meet a fellow teenager. Your accomplishments are admirable and I congratulate you. However, I encourage you to show rather than tell. Your experience and knowledge should be evident in how you conduct yourself. I am also an incredibly passionate activist who can be self-righteous, but I understand how to conduct business and sway people to my point of view. As fairly aware teenagers, we have to go against the stereotypical images that the media perpetuates. Let us get along so we, the next generation, can rule the world wisely. Muahaha -
whoa........ How you managed to notice the bride's make up, I do not know. Her dress is so.. gaudy! I googled her name and found this pic, where you can see her make up a bit more clearly.
News photo
The lady in the cream color bra and green skirt on the top picture is her MOTHER. And she wants to be a glamour model.
C R A Z Y!!
Oh yea.. they live in a "caravan", which I take to be a trailer or RV. The dad paves driveways for the living. The wedding cost 100,000 pounds, which is around what, $200,000??? I guess paving driveways in England is quite profitable. -
Is glamour model even a real job? It sounds like something you make up when you're about 8. I wanted to be Miss America when I was a kid. It didn't seem at all unreasonable at the time but but I realized it probably wasn't going to happen by the time I was 16 and started thinking about more realistic career goals.
Also, what do you think the groom's got in his hair? It looks like a bunch of little tiny white bows or something. -
Oh my....
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I would only loosely call that a dress...
Gah! I can't look away! -
it's like a train wreck...awful but you can't stop looking at it
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At least the bride the bride remembered to put all of her dress (such as it is) on. Her mother is only wearing her skirt and her bra! How embarrassing.
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I was allowed play makeup as a kid, like around 8 or so. Cheap stuff like Wet-N-Wild and such. But I wasn't allowed to wear it in public. I always had to wash my face before we went out. And some things, like eye makeup, only mom was allowed to apply. In 6th grade some friends bought me teal colored masquera and that I was allowed to wear. I also once was allowed to go out wearing way too much makeup just to teach me a lesson. When a McDonald's cashier kept giving me weird looks I went into the public restroom and washed it all off. Probably taught me a better lesson then all of mom's lectures on the subject.
Edit: And no, Hillary Clinton is NOT a good role model. Any woman who stays with a man who constantly cheats on her is not someone to look up to. I'm sorry, but Sarah Palin is a much better role model. She's modest. Manages to both work and run a family. And if her husband cheated on her you know she'd have the brains to kick his butt to the curb!
I know some of you will tear into me for this but at the very least, go look up the book "Target: Caught In The Crosshairs Of Bill & Hillary Clinton" and see what a terrible role model Hillary really is.
I personally think the female stars of yesteryear are better to look to in terms of beauty, such as Lauren Bacall, Grace Kelly, etc. And female Biblical women better choices for moral role models such as Queen Esther, Sarah, etc. -
"Never Too Young for That First Pedicure:"
You know the more i read threads like this, the more i want to shelter any of my future children away from this
I know when i have children, there will be no TV, radio or magazines telling them how inadequate they are.
I have nothing against, movies, music or models. I just have a problem with some of the message they are sending to young children, especially girls.
Why would you want your daughter to care about her appearance at seven?
I have no problem with girls or boys wearing makeup. I just have a problem with the context in which people use them.There is an appropiate way to have fun with makeup and then their is the inappropiate way where you use it to make yourself feel better about 'how ugly' you are. Thats wrong and i wish people would stop using it like that, because their the people that need psychological help.
As for those 2 mac girls... 10/11 is too young. Hell, even 14.
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Im thirteen and will rarely wear mascara. Its ridiculous what some girls wear, though. I know a girl who wears bright metallic eyeshadow up to her browbones, lipstick, foundation, blush, lipliner....just about everything. She is constantly ridiculed and called things like "the Rainbow Raccoon" or "It". Where are her parents??
While reading these posts, Pink's song Stupid Girls has been going through my head. >.> -
Oh wow. Now this is a topic that always invites controversy. I'm 21 now, but I started experimenting with makeup when I as 8 or 9. All my mom ever owned was lipstick and mascara because she's pretty low maintenance, so i'd just use her stuff creatively per se. By the time I was 12 I was wearing a full face, mascara, doing my brows, lipstick, blush, eyeshadow. I always asked for makeup as a gift and as a treat or a reward. I think my mother realized I was obsessed, and yes I recognize I really did just wanna look like Britney Spears, but she figured it's the least of all evils considering I was otherwise a good kid. I bought all the Bobbi Brown and Kevyn Aucoin and Laura Mercier books and copied their techniques and by the time I was in high school by application skills were far and above every other girl I knew. I am now a certified makeup artist and am about to go to school for chemistry to eventually be able to make products.
Yes my interest in makeup corresponded with my interest in boys and yes the two will be always related. I wore it more to cover my flaws and emphasize my good points (and to this day people tell me they can hardly believe that I wear so much, but I really do, a ton) and yes that was only so I could compete with the naturally pretty girls.
If only we could fight nature, I knew tons of girls whose mothers prevented them from wearing makeup, so they would skip school, go steal it from the drugstore and wear it to school and then wash it off before going home. There are negative side effects to trying to fight the whole makeup thing. There has been lot's of discussion and many articles on how much quicker girls are growing up in all aspects, getting periods earlier, boyfriends earlier, etc. And they say that it's simple the average age of beginning puberty getting lower and lower (and they have a ton of things to blame for this but no real proof). I babysit my young cousins all the time and I am far less shocked and appalled at an 8 year old's obsession with makeup then I am with her 13 year old brother wanting to deal drugs so all the girls at his school can think he's cool. Let's put it into persepective, there are a LOT worse things that kids could be doing. -
beyaaang needs to be banned
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I just deleted Beyaaang's account and all associated content.
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I started wearing makeup at about 12, and a lot of heavy dramatic makeup around 15, but I'm an old goth chick at this point, and dramatic is how I roll. Personally, I'm all about encouraging my future children's self expression, if they want to shave their head and wear bright blue eyeshadow, that's really the best time to do it, because it won't effect their career prospects, and I want them to have ownership of their own bodies from a young age, because we live in a society where young girls are so often told their bodies are not their own. I want my kids to be able to express themselves however they want, with the same latitude that I was allowed as a kid. I still get weird looks when I go out in public, but I don't mind, I'm a happily engaged and fairly successful business owner, so I don't think you have to look "normal" to succeed in life.I think that the miniature drag queen phase is just fine, and I intend to teach my kids that they aren't obligated to be sexy for anyone, and that sexiness is a means to an end (basically you shouldn't be sexy until you want sex, and understand your own desires and needs). I think it's really horrid the way society sexualizes little girls before they have a sex drive, teaching them that sexiness is expected of them, and something that they owe to everyone.My interest in makeup started with very little to do with attracting boys (frankly until I was about sixteen I pretty much exclusively preferred girls, not that makeup had much to do with attracting them either)Oh and glamour modeling is indeed a real career, it's basically sort of like being a pinup model.I'm not even going to comment on the Sarah Palin thing.As for the wedding dress, Irish travellers are very culturally different, what seems trashy and inappropriate to us, is pretty normal in their tradition, so why judge? They're not hurting anybody.
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