There's been a lively discussion on the Beauty Brains about Kinoki Foot pads and whether they actually work or not.
While we love the passionate discussion, the shear number of comments is causing the website to run slower. Therefore, we've closed comments on that thread and are directing people to leave their comments on the forum in this thread. The forum is much better equiped to handle more discussion.
My take on the Kinoki Foot pads is that they are a complete scam and will have no effect on the level of toxins in your body. If people use them and happen to notice they feel better, it is merely a placebo effect.
Any one else care to weigh in?
Wow!!
I actually saw the infomertal last night on TV, and my husband an I cracked up!! Can anyone really think that because the pad ends up dirty it means it's cleansing toxins from your body?
It is hilarious, very close to the parasites in yuor stomach make you gain weight thing
This is totally ridiculous
can't believe anyone will actually buy that stuff!!
hi akurah
Of course they do, they casue weight loss not weight gain, and not everyone has them
I was referring to another thread in the forum, about a scam advertising the secret to weight loss, which basically said that the reason why most people couldn't loose weight is because they all have parasites in the gut, and that's why you gain weight. This foot pad thing is another scam on the same level.
I noticed something when I was watching the commmercial last night. When they make the tree analogy, the arrows indicate that the tree is taking energy in through the leaves and expelling toxins through the roots. Although it's true that a tree takes in energy through the leaves, it doesn't expel anything through its roots. It uses its roots to take in water and nutrients and expels waste through it leaves. But I suppose if you're making up some of your facts, you may was well go for broke.
Who knew that the human body works just like a tree?
No, wait...the human body works just like a tree doesn't work.
I was recently at a beauty industry trade show and there were companies there with these foot baths for removing toxins. I felt so sad watching people sit with there feet in these pools of water waiting for it to turn brown or blue or green. There was even a chart that showed you what organ the toxins were removed from based on the color of the water. It was disheartening.
Well... there is a branch in Chinese medicine that's based on foot massage (from what I can figure out at least). Some people are able to tell which organs are not as healthy by massaging your feet. Maybe something about pressure points and what not.
But yea.. toxins.. that's the job of the kidney no?
I also can not get the page to load properly! I guess there are too much comments? It freezes my browswer when I open the page to read the comments. :(
Yeah, that was one of the reasons we set up this forum page. There were just too many comments and it freezes up the system. If you turn off the scripts it eventually loads. We'll have to have our computer nerd fix it some time.
I pressed STOP right when the page loaded so I was finally able to read the comments. I didn't go through all of them, but I do find the ones I read well.. unfortunate.
One comment said that life expectancy in Asia is higher than in the US due to the use of alternative medicine. Um, I beg to differ. It's more due to their healthier diet and getting more exercise. I am from Asia, and REAL Chinese food is not all oily and MSG-laden. We eat a lot more vegetables than Americans, and a lot of our food is steamed rather than deep fried. Fish for example? Most of it is eaten steamed (or raw in Japan), with some ginger, green onion, and black beans on top. American fish? BBQ or grilled or breaded and deep fried. Plus people just walk more in Asia! AND, have you read Gaijin Smash? Kids are forced to exercise and participate in sports clubs for hours a day, not just a measly 45-50 minute like the PE classes here. Old folks practice tai chi in HUGE groups at all hours at the park in Taiwan! Are old folks getting exercise like that here? Not really. Tai chi isn't a cure all either, it's just an exercise that allows you to move your muscles in a slow and controlled manner so you are less likely to injure your joints and muslces, and also learning how to breathe as you exercise.
Though nowadays kids in Asia are getting lazier and fatter due to exposure to Western food and lifestyle.
As for the whole argument on alternative medicine. I do have to say, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE PRACTICED IN THE UNITED STATES. Like I've said before in other threads, my godfather is a herbalist practicing in Taiwan and China, so I am a bit familiar with it. Now, he does not think it's done correctly here because it's being taught as, "if a patient has this symptom, then it's caused by reason A, so to treat it you do B," when it's not always so linear and formulated.
That and also a lot of chiropractors and accupuncturists here in the states are likely Western-medicine trained doctors in Asia who was unable to pass the American board exams, and thus, not able to practice medicine here. That's something to think about.
And like I said, alternative medicine is not suppose to be linear and formulated. My sister and I both suffer from hay fever, but we have to be treated differently. Mine is mostly due to my "fire chi" being too high, so in other words I get inflammations easily (hence rashes, hay fever, etc.). Her reasoning is a bit more personal, but it's not because her "fire chi" is too high. And yes, I've had this problem with my "fire chi" since I was young, and I'm suppose to avoid eating spicy food, fried food, and cold food (like cold water, soda, etc.).
I will still forward this Kinoki Foot Pad over to my godfather and see what he says.
Yay! John Stossel did a report on "20/20" about the Kinoki footpads, and you can see the video here
They had labs analyze the foot pads to see whether all the heavy metals and other crap really was pulled out of the body via the feet. I don't hafta tell you the results of the test (at least those of you with brains).
(I hafta laugh at the lady at the end of the report who says she feels "duped by Mr Kinoki"; only an idiot woulda fallen for all that horsepoo in the first place!)
But wait! It gets better: the FDA has launched an investigation into the Kinoki foot pads, too
I saw the commercial twice the other evening, and noticed that THREE TIMES it said, "Results not typical." I don't have super-sharp eyesight, and yet I saw that THREE TIMES each time I viewed it. That oughtta make any viewer stop and think, "Hmmmm; these outrageous claims come with a disclaimer warning me that these claims are outrageous, and yet here I am reaching into my wallet. Perhaps I oughtta rethink this purchase?"
And yet apparently they don't. Can't decide, though, whether my favorite part is their misspelling "thallium" as "thaillum," or their offer to throw in eye patches which will get rid of puffiness, dark circles, and crow's feet, in seconds, for FREE! Imagine that! a magic product that NO ONE ELSE HAS, not even companies who offer eye creams costing hundreds of dollars, and they'll GIVE you these magical eye patches for FREE! That right there is worth MILLIONS, yet they're GIVING THEM AWAY! (They didn't mention whether the patches absorb the puffiness, darkness, and wrinkles the same way the foot pads do. I'd pay to see a wrinkle on a patch!)
Whatta buncha malarkey. The part of the Stossel report that really blew my hair back is that *Avon* is selling foot pads, too! I gather they're not making crazy-ass claims, but they see all the stupid money flying around, and they wanna get some of it, so they're selling foot pads. I hadn't figured Avon for that kinda company, but maybe I just don't know Avon.
Avon is a cosmetic company. Making exaggerated claims and selling products that people want even if they don't really work the way people think they do, is all part of the game.
To address the ORIGINAL subject of the foot pads... I have tried them, but more due to the urging of my husband, who incidently, is a nurse for a VA and is often eager to test out new products that might help his patients find relief (just to help some of the people who have been viciously throwing around insults while commenting understand...this is called an act of KINDNESS).
In the time I used the pads, I did notice the dark sticky residue that some people spoke of. But to be honest, even after trying them for a few weeks, I can not tell any difference in how I feel. My husband claims it helps him with the swelling in his feet from long shifts, but I can not debunk them or commend them, even after use.
However, even with the good review my husband gave them gave them, after some of his own research he decided against sharing them with his patients because there just wasnt enough evidence that they were not harmful in some way. I would suggest speaking with your doctor before trying them either way.... And for those people who truly want an opinion from someone who has tried them.. I apologize that I wasnt able to comment more. But I will say that I do believe in the power of the mind, so if it is the placebo effect that is casuing some people (like my husband) to find relief, then so be it, as long as they are not harmful. In my opinion, that is what we should all be researching if we plan to use them for any length of time.
Now to address some of the off topic issues: Ok, I landed on your "Beauty Brain" discussion by sheer accident, while doing some research on these foot pads that WERE the topic, and then ended up here. It never ceases to amaze me how people insist on being rude and vicious to others, while trying to push thier beliefs on each other.
Granted..debates can get heated... but what I have read went way beyond heated and moved into childish banter. I admit.. I was amused at first, untill the cruelty of some of the bloggers came to light.
Just a friendly last note... The world is a hard place to live in. I do not know one person who isnt facing some kind of hardship in thier life. Why must we all insist on being unkind? I am not saying that being kind will fix all the problems in our lives..but it would deffinatly make it easier to deal with them. Have you ever had a bad day, and had someone you never met before cheer you up with a smile and a nice comment? You honestly dont know what kind of a day someone has had, they may have lost a loved one or found out some terrible news, or they may be someone who is naturally unkind. And in some cases a smile and a nice word or two might have no effect on a person, but I would rather share some friendliness, on the small chance it might actually make someone feel better. You stand nothing to loose by being friendly, it isnt painful (i promise) =). So on your next post or blog... try to find some kindness (even a tiny bit would be better than being rude). We dont have to be mean to make a point, and we dont have to insult people to get them to understand. And if you insist on being mean... then refer to the old saying "Kill them with kindness".
Thanks for your well-reasoned comments. It is true the world could use more kindness. Generally, you find it here on these forums. There are a couple of topics that get a bit snarky like these foot pads, Arbonne, mineral oil and animal testing but for the most part, people here are kind.
Thanks and I hope you stick around to comment more. :)
I thank you for respinding in kind. :) And i do plan on checking out more of your site. You seem to have a wealth of information here and i appriciate the time it takes to create a site like this. Despite peoples moods, this is a great place to be.
This is interesting since this has been a recent thread on one of the nailtech forums I subscribe to. BUT we are discussing the "detoxifying foot baths."
A few weeks ago I attended an Esthetics Congress. One of the booths there had about fifteen of these baths and every one of them had a woman sitting at it just AMAZED at what was coming out of their bodies!!! LMAO. I am sorry, but what the hell is wrong with people? Do they REALLY think toxins come out of their feet? Why not their hands? OMG, I am just not used to people being that stupid!!!!
A tech I know made one of the distributors start one of the baths with NO ONE putting their feet in it. Guess what happened? The water turned brown/orange!!!! So much for the toxins!!! The water will turn no matter what.
They sell those baths for a few hundred dollars and have been advertised in my nail tech magazines for years now. I guess they are still selling them since the ad are still in the mags. They will never see my money.
YET---- I have clients who are buying the pads from Avon. Some people will waste their money on nonsense.
Muchas gracias for letting me vent this!!!!
buenos dias,
Lynnette
I saw those foot baths at a recent Beauty Show I attended and it just made me feel bad. They even had posters showing what toxins were coming out of the body based on the color of the water. Brown comes from your liver, blue comes from your kidneys, etc. It's so unfortunate.
You know, the worst thing about this is that it is a flat-out scam from the start. I mean, there are a lot of unintentional scams out there from people who are well-meaning but not exactly scientifically-minded, who spread nonsense because at least they think it's in someone's best interest. But in this case, in order to build and operate this machine, you MUST be a 150% bullsh*t artist from the word go. These people aren't well-meaning patsies. They're bald-faced liars.
I don't understand the appeal of these products. Usually, when someone starts marketing a product like this it's in response to a real demand -- people are looking for an easy way to lose weight and get in shape, or they want to get rid of wrinkles, or grow hair where they don't have it -- but how many people are out there looking for a way to get toxins out of their body? Not only have they created a bogus product, they've created a bogus demand. Of course, if there's no problem in the first place, it's harder to prove that the product doesn't work.
I think the bogus demand comes from the Natural / Green trend. People hear stories all the time about toxins in the environment and how they could make you sick. Science can never definitively say that anything is 100% safe, so people get worried. That's why groups like the EWG are so effective. How can anyone argue with making products safer?
Then you add the faux solution of drawing toxins out of your feet, and voila! A product is born.