Do we need toner to restore skin pH? Do we need toner at all?

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  • August 31, 2016 at 7:36 pm #96023
    Tanya
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    So… what difference between them and creams? Concentrations?

    August 31, 2016 at 7:50 pm #96026
    RandyS
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    Creams don’t typically contain solvents like hexylene glycol. 

    September 1, 2016 at 1:03 pm #96028
    Tanya
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    So, what is the principal difference between cream and micellar water? Why creams are ok to leave on the skin while micellar water no? (topic has changed )))

    Bioderma Sensibio H2O Micellaire Solution: WATER (AQUA), PEG-6 CAPRYLIC/CAPRIC GLYCERIDES, CUCUMIS SATIVUS (CUCUMBER) FRUIT EXTRACT, MANNITOL, XYLITOL, RHAMNOSE, FRUCTOOLIGOSACCHARIDES, PROPYLENE GLYCOL, DISODIUM EDTA, CETRIMONIUM BROMIDE.

    September 1, 2016 at 2:49 pm #96031
    RandyS
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    Depending on the ingredients, there may be nothing wrong with leaving a micellar water on your face. In that sense, it’s like a cream. 

    September 1, 2016 at 4:03 pm #96034
    patrickBOOTH
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    I was always under the impression that leaving ionic conditioning agents like the above centrimonium chloride can be irritating to skin.  Is it a matter of concentration?  Also, do these ionic conditioning agents bind to skin?  I’m unsure of the outer layer of skin’s charge.

    September 1, 2016 at 10:01 pm #96036
    RandyS
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    Not all these ingredients behave the same way. Some anionics are harsh when left on skin (e.g, SLS) some cationics (typically the short chain ones) are harsh when left on skin (e.g., cetrimonium chloride). 

    In general, non-ionic surfactants are less irritating. 
    And, yes, as with almost everything else, concentration matters. Even cetrimonium chloride is allowed to be used in leave on products at low levels (up to 0.1% or 0.2%, I believe.) 
    September 2, 2016 at 8:48 am #96040
    Tanya
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    Sorry, in the list is CETRIMONIUM BROMIDE …

    September 2, 2016 at 1:18 pm #96043
    RandyS
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    I don’t think the counter ion makes much difference in terms of irritation. 

    September 6, 2016 at 12:06 pm #96073
    Tanya
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    Oh… really…

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