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  • #96284
    preciousia
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    I have a product that is a Vitamin C with supposed SPF10


    the citrus ingredient have me very worried to use it in the day for fear of added photo sensitivity. I have emailed the company but they did not respond to me.

    can you comment?

    Avalon Organics, Intense Defense With Vitamin C, Sheer Moisture SPF 10, 1.7 oz (50 g)

    Active ingredients: 3.6% ZnO + 2.8% TiO2
    other ingredients: Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice¹, Argania Spinosa Kernel Oil¹, Coconut Alkanes, Caprylic/Capric Triglyceride, Glycerin¹, Polyglyceryl-2 Sesquioleate, Limonene, Polyglyceryl-3 Ricineoleate, Saccharomyces/Xylinum/Black Tea Ferment¹, Sodium Chloride, Butyrospermum Parkii (Shea) Butter¹, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamot) Fruit Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Oil, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Peel Oil, Rosa Canina Seed Oil¹, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract (White Tea)¹, Citrus Limon (Lemon) Peel Extract (Lemon Bioflavonoids)¹, Tocopheryl Acetate, Alumina, Aqua (Purified Water), Ascorbyl Glucoside, Calcium Ascorbate, Calcium Carbonate, Coco-Caprylate/Caprate, Polyhydroxystearic Acid, Stearic Acid, Alcohol¹, Benzyl Alcohol, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Citral, Linalool.

    (¹) Certified Organic Ingredient
    Product is preserved with Sodium Benzoate

    #96285
    preciousia
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    @escherichia  i tried the Innisfree pure mineral one in the store.. it rubs in clear. very cosmetically elegant. no indication of the % of actives though.

    the pure mineral ones come in SPF50 and SPF30

    this is the one i tried. USD16.55 on iherb


    #96286
    escherichia
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    Preciousia,

    That’d be awesome!! Although I think one sachet would be more than enough! Thank you so much!!! <3
    #96289
    preciousia
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    @escherichia 

    cool… just pm me your mailing address. do u want to wait till my curel comes so i’ll mail one of each together?
    #96291
    escherichia
    Member

    I will PM you! :)

    #96340
    preciousia
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    @Peter Perhaps you would be interested in this Australian Sunscreen



    active ingredients: Tinabsorb S & M, Vitamin B3 and antioxidants

    no white cast… i asked my friend to take a photo of the back of the sunscreen for me to check the ingredients. No ingredients anywhere for this company, i have started sharing (typing out) the ingredients from the label to share on COSDNA.  

    He goes out in the sun a lot and he was raving about this sunscreen! i have 3 of Skinstitut products and they are very nice. i like them very much and will repurchase.

    Photo of the ingredients (contributed by Tony) Thanks!:

    referencing our other discussions here:



    #96341
    preciousia
    Member

    After some squinting and matching the chemical names… the active ingredients of the Skinstitut SPF50+ sunscreen is:


    Active ingredients:
    • 6% Tinosorb M (Methylene bis-benzotriazolyl Tetramethylbutylphenol)
    • 5% Tinosorb S (Bemotrizinol)
    • 5% Octinoxate (Octyl Methoxycinnamate)
    • 5% Uvinul A plus (Diethylamino Hydroxybenzoyl Hexyl benzoate)
    • 1% Ensulizole (Phenylbenzimidazole Sulfonic Acid)
    • 2% Uvinul T 150 (Ethylhexyl triazone)
    As they are a therapeutic sunscreen approved by TGA, they are not required by law to disclose their full ingredients. How does this mix look to you?
    #96344
    Peter
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    @preciousia

    Octinoxate is not the best filter, but rest looks very good. Unfortunately they don’t give the complete ingredient list..
    #96346
    Tiffany60
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    @Peter

    Hi I saw your list of sunscreen ingredient rank. Then according to your list, I searched Tinosorb S sunscreen on the internet. Then I found this blog: http://blog.pharmacymix.com/?s=Tinosorb&Submit=Go, which say that Anthelio XL and Bioderma sunscreen are both effective Tinosorb S sunscreen. Does it true and reliable?Could you explain the differences between these two brands of sunscreen? Thank you.
    #96348
    preciousia
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    @Peter a lot of the Japanese sunscreen uses Octinoxate too :(

    perhaps the reason is Tinosorb M has a stabilizing effect on other UV absorbers, octyl methoxycinnamate (octinoxate) in particular
    #96350
    preciousia
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    #96351
    preciousia
    Member

    this video is a lil long but good to watch for a clear understanding from a doctor’s point of view

    UK most famous blogger Caroline Hirons asks Dr Marko Lens who is a consultant, plastic and reconstructive surgeon and a skin specialist. “THE MAN” to go to if you have any skin issues.

    They answer everything you wanted to know about sunscreen but am afraid to ask.
    2 parts


    Questions asked in this video:

    • Why do we need to wear SPF?
    • What is your biggest issue with the misconceptions around SPF?
    • Where do you start?
    • Pre-cancerous moles: for the chop or just keep an eye?
    • What is the difference between physical and chemical SPF?
    • What should we use? Chemical or physical?
    • And does that depend on your age and skin colouring?
    • Is a physical sunscreen ‘natural’? 
    • Is a physical sunscreen safe?
    • If you layer SPF products do they accumulate or are you only as protected as the highest individual SPF?
    • What would you recommend that I use on my baby/child? (Surprising answer here parents!)
    • What should you use if you have acne?
    • What should you avoid if you have acne?
    • When do you apply your SPF? Before or after moisturiser?
    • How do you use SPF correctly? How much for what body part?
    • Is it possible to have an anti-ageing moisturiser that contains SPF without compromising efficacy?
    • Does historical use of sunbeds/irresponsible sunbathing affect your skin in later years?
    • Can we cover up too much from the sun? Are we putting ourselves at risk of vitamin D deficiency?
    • What if you have Afro-Caribbean skin?
    • What is PPD and is it still relevant in the EU?
    • What exactly IS SPF?
    • What is critical wavelength? 
    • And PA+++ factor?
    #96353
    escherichia
    Member

    Thanks for the videos! But the moment Dr Lens said that “…chemical sunscreens are absorbed by the skin…” and “…zinc oxide is toxic to fish….”, I was like -_-“. I guess the Beauty Brains were right; dermatologists don’t know sunscreens as well as cosmetic scientists. :D

    However I did like the skin-related stuff though, esp. precancerous moles. Just in the last two years, I’ve had moles ‘appearing magically’ overnight on my face because I was out in the hot sun (mid-noon highest UV index!) WITHOUT sunscreen.
    #96355
    Peter
    Member

    @preciousia 

    Well I understand you lean towards physical filters with the sites you mention. But that site doens’t make a distinction between the old sunscreen actives and the newer ones, also the information isn’t completely correct. They don’t mention the first 8 filters of my sunscreen list. Tinosorb, Uvinul, Mexoryl may be “chemical” filters, but they don’t have the downsides of the old sunscreen actives like homosalate, octinoxate and benzophenone mentioned. 
    On the site of Beautyeditor they say on point three chemical sunscreen actives cause cell damage, and physical sunscreens don’t, but that’s not true either. Nano-titanium dioxide / nano zinc oxide are photo-catalysts and need stable coatings, and even then they still release some free radicals. Also because they are in the nano range they don’t reflect all radiation, they also absorb raditon, and there’s still concern of absorption and inhalation. Also they almost never cause allergic reaction, but irritation has been reported. And about reapplying, well sunscreens must stay stable for 2 hours, after that sunscreens quite rapidly degrade. That’s why you need to reapply. But the newer “chemical” are so photostable even after 8 hours, almost the whole sunscreens is still intact, and because it’s better absorbed in the stratum corneum it’s more difficult to rub of than physical filters.

    So saying physical is good and “chemical” is bad, may perhaps be not a very unrealistic statement for america, but in Europe, Australia and Japan newer better chemical filter have been used for years already. Personally I think Tinosorb, Uvinal A Plus, Uvinul and Mexoryl and Zinc Oxide/Titanium Dioxde are better than nano Zinc Oxide/Titanium Dioxde, and nano physical filters are way better than oxybezone, ethylhexyl methoxycinnamate, homosalate and octocrylene. Many scaremongering articles come from America, and that’s not strange from what I’ve just described.
    #96356
    Peter
    Member

    @Tiffany60 

    Most french sunscreens (like Bioderma and La Roche Posay Anthelio XL) use Tinosorb and Mexoryl, but they combine it with older filters like Octocrylene, Avobenzone. Sunscreens start appearing with only the good filters from my list. What’s the difference between Bioderma and La Roche Posay. Well Mexoryl is made by Loreal, and loreal owns La Roche Posay, therefore La Roche Posay contains a small amount of Mexoryl in general. Bioderma uses Tinosorb S and Tinosorb M very often. If you have some ingredient lists for me, I can have a look at them.
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