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Really excited about the Alpha Lipoic Acid as well! Would have been better if they combined more ingredients in one product, I can’t apply 10 serums or so. Also using so many products reduces their efficiency. But still Alpha Lipoic Acid is definitely on my wish list.Don’t think benzoic acid and vitamin C in skincare is a problem. The studies on this subject were on soda drinks, in cosmetic products the formation of benzene is negligible, also it is said benzene can’t penetrate skin.
@preciousia Fitocose have a the WORST marketing ever, but the formulator is a genius.
Some of their ingredient labels read like poetry and most of their products have no preservatives – they mix them when you order them and have a short shelf-life. In common with The Ordinary is that they use ingredients with proven benefits and price them fairly. Although they picture hideous jars on their website most products come in air-less pumps now – even the cleanser, unfortunately (it shoots through my wet hands when I try to pump it out). Here are some of their anti-age products so you can see the formulations:I’ve used the Ginseng, Ginko, Jalus Oligo Filler (this has copper peptides and it’s just €10 for 30mls!), Jalus Plus (niacinamide), Vit C Anti-age Fluid and Jalus Blanco (reservatol) – the only flop for me was the carrot mask. My stand-by is Jalus Plus, I cycle through the rest depending on the season.I’m sooo curious about dermarolling. I must have watched every YouTube video on it that exists. I had plans on purchasing my first rolls in December to up my anti-aging game but now that I’m playing with The Ordinary I’m going to wait a little longer. Please start a topic on it to share your experience!!!For ALA, consult a certified herbalist to get you on a high-quality supplement. In addition to beautiful skin, the extra benefits of taking it internally is increased mental clarity and energy. I’m having such a great winter getting so many things done with almost zero couch-flopping. Literally, by the second day I took it I was dusting the ceilings and deep-cleaning the balconies – on the work front I can’t even tell you how many stale projects I finally got rolling in the right direction.It makes you wonder… which “other” beauty ingredients would be better-utilized by the skin if taken internally vs. topically?!?! Hmmm….Still waiting on my second The Ordinary order. I wish there was a way to check if they even sent it out yet on their website – can’t wait to soak my face in HA and Niacinamide and slather my neck with Matrixyl. Hahaha!I know, I know. One at a time. ; )Ciao,Lomg… i am alil swamped now… hols coming but i will be going to read that poetry on Fitocose.dermarollingi bought everything i need. a >$100 book. watched a few videos only.reading to begin anytime now…getting my ingredients to DIY to avoid the nasties the book recommended and the actives to include. Unfortunately, there isn’t a ready made serum i see available in the market.As the skin is punctured, i am extremely fussy about ingredients. Penetration is at its best!If you are keen, you can view the gadget i bought, it has disposable needles (more hygienic) and the needles lengths can be adjusted so you can eg use a longer needle on scars and shorter needle on delicate areas. Numbing cream – check too. Waiting to try after my holidays.
Here in Australia it is HOT HOT HOT…UV is insane too! Was 38 degrees celsius the other day.
Noted benzoic acid and vitamin C is ok. i read Randy’s response and the medical study was not skincare related. interesting though… there are probably several more incompatible ingredients i don’t know about already.how fast are you using up your Ordinary products? My Buffet s nearly empty. LAA nearly empty too. Going to start MAP serum after LAA is finished. I am wondering what else to try… maybe Arbutin after another serum i am using is finished.>For ALA, consult a certified herbalist to get you on a high-quality supplement. In addition to beautiful skin, the extra benefits of taking it internally is increased mental clarity and energy.My nutritionist put me on a vegan diet, lots of fruits and vegetables, not much processed food. No meat. No eggs. No milk/cheese. I just started a few months… she looks down on supplements. I take Vitamin D, finishing my stash of supplements currently.I was considering buying astaxanthin to boost my sun protection but… my nutritionist gave me a ear lashing… so i didn’t buy it. Someone shared with me before supplements that are crap and supplements worth taking, i’ll need to find that… hmmm What else do you consume? Your testimonial makes me want to go order good ALA. How do you tell it is a good quality supplement?I bought liposome glutathione recently… gosh. pricey but it seems to be working! Amazing what some quality supplement works… kindda like having a good quality skincare vs crap. I copped an earful for buying that too.>It makes you wonder… which “other” beauty ingredients would be better-utilized by the skin if taken internally vs. topically?!?! Hmmm….Many!! by memory, i know Vitamin A, B, C, D (Dr DG did a Vitamin D serum), E, F, Zinc, MSM, Glutathione… much more definitely…
Alpha Lipoic Acid of course.I was wondering about the Matrixyl serum… vs Buffet… Love to hear your thoughts.So far… i am not excited about the one ingredient one product anymore…they are good for me to assess for my DIY if i should even bother with the ingredient… eg Vitamin C… not sure LAA, MAP, AA2G or TA… i will decide after trying all 4 Vitamin C serums they own.I just got 14 new Korean products delivered from Korea… hmmm… one at a time… lol. Used one yesterday. maybe another in a couple more days… too spoilt for choice what to buy next.Did anyone buy Deciem’s Black Friday promotions? They were like up to 67% off! Crazy.I’ve heard the Buffet contains 6% matrixyl, plus 19% of some other amino acids, peptides and hyaluronic acid. The matrixyl serum contains 10%. So if you like the buffet, there’s no need to buy the Matrixyl serum as well.@Peter Which grapevine did you hear the %?
Th Ordinary Buffet and matrixyl serums will be too much of the same thing… thanks for your Tip. I won’t buy it then.
I use 2 brightening serums in my routine currently. Going to cut down the duplications. Need to study the ingredients again but fr memory, they do not duplicate… different ingredients. Just retired another brightening serum.
Good to know about the Matrixyl, Peter. I already bought it (though I’m still waiting for it) and I plan to Buffet and Matrixyl my neck and jowels for extra oomph! I can’t use my Retin-A equivalent there because it makes my neck break out. Eventually I’ll talk myself into trying the NIOD NEC.I’ve been putting on the buffet twice a day and now am going around the eyes, too. On top of that I would add the Caffeine serum also twice a day but I found that at night my eyes are really dry – or maybe it’s coincidence. So I’m going to spend some nights with one or the other and see if that makes a difference.Preciousia, I would not start supplements on your own. I don’t know how it works in Australia but in Italy they certify herbalists. Mine also educates other herbalists so she’s pretty on-the-pulse of what’s coming out and how to use it. She follows the medical research and has entire “plans” already structured for various ailments.
I was skeptic about supplements, too but three summers ago I was having my first hot flashes and I was ready to try anything. She put me on her “plan” with calcium, Magnase-Cobalt (which you start on every day and then gradually wean down to only once a week), and some Australian Flower Extract for mood (it works differently on some people it worked REALLY WELL for me – gave me the giggles and I had to cut down the dose. My husband was shocked at its effect and wondered if it was legal – don’t worry, it is. You can also buy it on amazon : ) . Starting menopause is like having PMS every day – mood and symptom-wise, too – don’t let me get started on the changes to the skin and collagen! Since starting supplements, I literally feel like I have my life back. I’ve shown the supplements to my OBGYN and he told me to give compliments to the Herbalist for putting together such a comprehensive plan for my situation. Last year we’ve added ALA for cancer prevention and heart health.Again, it’s important to put yourself in the hands of someone who is knowledgeable and understands how these things work and can make a plan for you. Even though you can just go out and buy supplements without a prescription, I personally do not recommend doing that.If you’re concerned about the quality of a supplement, buy it at the pharmacy. At least in Italy pharmacies carry ALA it because cardiologists often prescribe it for preventive heart health.I’m really curious to see how DECIEM will use this “antioxidant enabler” topically!!Ciao,LP.S. That’s some serious dermarolling machinery!!i am a fan of this Australian brand called Australian Bush Flower Essences. Is that the one you tried? I will go checkout an herbalist/naturopath etc they have here… though i am on my plant based diet with my nutritionalist, i want to stick to it. If you think it is not advisable to start ALA on my own. I better listen to 1 who has been helping me so far.. too many cooks spoil the broth.I do believe flower extracts can work though i have not experienced it myself.Menopause sounds scary. I will not survive the hot flashes. i am maybe 10 years away from that myself. phew. 37 now.so pleased your health is better with the herbalist’s help
Health = WealthMuch more important than skincare!They mentioned the concentration of the Buffet on their instagram somewhere between the comments: https://www.instagram.com/p/BKDxGi3Dqz0/?taken-by=deciem@Peter wow source from the horses’ mouth! Bravo!
I read the comments on the Instagram post. Unfortunately, they don’t clarify say if it’s the combined Matrixyl 3000 and Synthe 6, or one or the other.
Also, today I skipped the Buffet and went strait with the Vit C+HA and I got almost no “strippy yucky things” on my hands. So… there must be some kind of incompatibility between products because now I think I was putting the Buffet on, and then rubbing it all off with the Vit. C + HA.
Yes, preciousia, It is Australian Bush Flower Essences – I don’t know which one it is in English in Italian it’s roughly translated into “balance for woman”. Even that was worked into a plan and now I only take it as-needed. Usually only a few drops under the tongue. But when my mother-in-law was visiting I drank nearly half the bottle!P.S. I guess DECIEM really is overwhelmed. My first order shipped in 2 days, second order took 12 days to ship – and probably only because I sent an e-mail asking if there was any way to track the status of my order online to see if it had been shipped yet! Instead of getting a reply, I got a shipping notice. Thanks? Should have written sooner!!
For the 10% Matrixyl they also don’t specify the relative amount of Matrixyl 3000 and Matrixyl Synthe 6. So the only thing you know is, if you like the buffet, it’s not really neccessary to buy the 10% matrixyl.- The forum ‘General’ is closed to new topics and replies.
